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06-12-2007, 09:51 AM
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Are Politicans out of touch with us?
I was just reading about the failed Immigration bill. The Democrats have said that they want this bill and they say that the American people want it also. I have not talked to anyone that was in favor of that amensty bill. Have our elected officals what it is like to live in the tax payers shoes?
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06-12-2007, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rob
I was just reading about the failed Immigration bill. The Democrats have said that they want this bill and they say that the American people want it also. I have not talked to anyone that was in favor of that amensty bill. Have our elected officals what it is like to live in the tax payers shoes?
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Ah, YEAH! I think both republican and democrat politicians running for president are just telling us all what they "think" we want to hear, or what they think will get them personal votes. Obama, and Rudy Giuliano are two of the biggest phonies running for the presidency right now. Both get on their political platforms, and give bullshit "cum by yaw" speeches, and to make matters worse, Obama "over kills" his religious convictions every single time he speaks. He acts like if he doesn't strongly embrace religion, that somehow it will escape him, and then he can't be president. Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being into religion-I am-however, when you are running for president, religion can be seen as a tool that the politician uses to hide behind, and cover-up their own personal faults and political weaknesses. Rudy Giuliano flip-flops on the abortion issue, and pretends to embrace the homosexual agenda whole heartedly-he appears to be a suttle misogynist who will turn on women if he is elected. Giuliano is speaking out of the side of his mouth much double speak. And, John Edwards is all about his $400 hair cut, and catering to peoples' emotions-he should just stick to lower level politics, and not seek to be president-especially after the first poor performance run that he and John Kerry attempted. It was really quit pathetic to say the least. And, Romney is such a freaking joke-and a phoney, too. John McCain is almost clueless on the status of the war in Iraq, and is too gun and war happy. The American people don't need another G.W. Bush for our next president, and John McCain has too much of Bush's hegemonic ideologies. I'm looking at Fred Thompson, because he hasn't said much, and seems to be a strong contender-however, I'll probably be voting "independent" again this time around, too. 
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06-12-2007, 10:26 AM
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Nothing wrong with voting as an indpendent. The fact that your keeping up with what the candates are saying is very important.
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06-12-2007, 10:43 AM
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Nothing wrong with voting as an indpendent. The fact that your keeping up with what the candates are saying is very important.
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I hope the majority of Americans are really listening to what "all" of these candidates are really saying-because if they are not, then boy are we all in for some more hell! 
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06-12-2007, 10:50 AM
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I hope the majority of Americans are really listening to what "all" of these candidates are really saying-because if they are not, then boy are we all in for some more hell! 
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Politicans don't want to have an alert infromed voting populace. That way things never change.
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06-12-2007, 12:58 PM
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Politicans don't want to have an alert infromed voting populace. That way things never change.
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I am convinced that the only way for any real immigration issues to get solved, is that they be solved at the state level. If they pass anything at the federal level, 1. It will probably be half-assed planned and include some type of amnesty. 2. It will override any steps the states have taken themselves to solve this problem.
Once the states pass meaningful legislation (like Oklahoma's) then I think they should bill the federal government for the enforcement, since the feds have failed miserably in this.
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06-12-2007, 01:03 PM
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I am convinced that the only way for any real immigration issues to get solved, is that they be solved at the state level. If they pass anything at the federal level, 1. It will probably be half-assed planned and include some type of amnesty. 2. It will override any steps the states have taken themselves to solve this problem.
Once the states pass meaningful legislation (like Oklahoma's) then I think they should bill the federal government for the enforcement, since the feds have failed miserably in this.
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Freedom, this is a step in the right direction. The Oklahoma Federal delegation was informed about this law and what the Federal Bill was all about and they voted it down.
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06-12-2007, 01:16 PM
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Nothing wrong with voting as an indpendent. The fact that your keeping up with what the candates are saying is very important.
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There needs to be a viable alternative to D's & R's. Both parties have been bought by special interests......
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06-12-2007, 01:59 PM
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There needs to be a viable alternative to D's & R's. Both parties have been bought by special interests......
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Whoever you elect to Washington has paid some dues to special intrests.
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06-12-2007, 02:21 PM
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Whoever you elect to Washington has paid some dues to special intrests.
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If one is only going to vote for D's and R's, then yes, that is true. They wouldn't allow anyone else....
Being as true election reform doesn't have a ghost of a chance, I don't really expect that to change....
So, yes, I agree.
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