Are Politicans out of touch with us?

36shadow · #11 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

I am convinced that the only way for any real immigration issues to get solved, is that they be solved at the state level. If they pass anything at the federal level, 1. It will probably be half-assed planned and include some type of amnesty. 2. It will override any steps the states have taken themselves to solve this problem.

Once the states pass meaningful legislation (like Oklahoma's) then I think they should bill the federal government for the enforcement, since the feds have failed miserably in this.

I agree because the individual border states are impacted more and live more closely with the issue and should with the support of the federal govt. not the rule of it, make and inforce there own plans which would have to also adhear to homeland security. I think that the immagration rhetoric although important is a diversionary tactic although very important their are other very important issues besides immagration and abortion and they feed the people these two bones and while we gnaw on these other just as important issues get over looked, issues they don't have answers for or not the ones we want to here or would like.

flaja · #12 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 09:24 PM

There is no point writing to Washington. He’s been dead for over 200 years.

freedomlover · #13 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by flaja

There is no point writing to Washington. He’s been dead for over 200 years.

Thanks Flaga, I needed the laugh.

flaja · #14 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 36shadow

I agree because the individual border states are impacted more and live more closely with the issue and should with the support of the federal govt.

Actually this isn’t really true anymore. The impact of immigration is not as localized to the border states as it used to be. In the 2000 census NC had a Hispanic population of about 400,000 (roughly 5% of the entire state’s population) and I doubt that most of the adult Hispanics were born in the U.S.

Certain industries (such as construction and meat packing) seem to attract immigrants, illegal and legal. So immigrants flock to wherever these industries are thriving regardless of their proximity to the border.

flaja · #15 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Heckler

There needs to be a viable alternative to D's & R's. Both parties have been bought by special interests......

Would you be willing to enter into a discussion of a model charter for a alternative political party? Do you know of anyone else that would be?

Heckler · #16 (**permalink**) 06-13-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flaja

Would you be willing to enter into a discussion of a model charter for a alternative political party? Do you know of anyone else that would be?

Yes I would, but I have only a limited amount of time to spend here.
How do you propose we proceed?

I don't personally, almost everyone I know supports one of the 2 main parties. The rest of them have given up hope. Perhaps others in this forum might participate?

George O Well · #17 (**permalink**) 06-13-2007, 12:22 PM

"Politicans don't want to have an alert infromed voting populace. That way things never change."

>>>And even if the populace is uninformed and comatose, the politicians will lie to 'em anyway just to be on the safe side. But what we are saying is nothing new.

RASTAMAN · #18 (**permalink**) 06-13-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindcrew

Ah, YEAH! I think both republican and democrat politicians running for president are just telling us all what they "think" we want to hear, or what they think will get them personal votes. Obama, and Rudy Giuliano are two of the biggest phonies running for the presidency right now. Both get on their political platforms, and give bullshit "cum by yaw" speeches, and to make matters worse, Obama "over kills" his religious convictions every single time he speaks. He acts like if he doesn't strongly embrace religion, that somehow it will escape him, and then he can't be president. Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being into religion-I am-however, when you are running for president, religion can be seen as a tool that the politician uses to hide behind, and cover-up their own personal faults and political weaknesses. Rudy Giuliano flip-flops on the abortion issue, and pretends to embrace the homosexual agenda whole heartedly-he appears to be a suttle misogynist who will turn on women if he is elected. Giuliano is speaking out of the side of his mouth much double speak. And, John Edwards is all about his $400 hair cut, and catering to peoples' emotions-he should just stick to lower level politics, and not seek to be president-especially after the first poor performance run that he and John Kerry attempted. It was really quit pathetic to say the least. And, Romney is such a freaking joke-and a phoney, too. John McCain is almost clueless on the status of the war in Iraq, and is too gun and war happy. The American people don't need another G.W. Bush for our next president, and John McCain has too much of Bush's hegemonic ideologies. I'm looking at Fred Thompson, because he hasn't said much, and seems to be a strong contender-however, I'll probably be voting "independent" again this time around, too.

Mindcrew, the politicians only behave and govern as far as the voters allow them to get away with!

The problem here, btwn civics (no longer taught in Jr. High and H.S.)ignorance and disinterest on behalf of the younger voters between the ages of 18-23, the pessimism of voters age 25-35 not believing their vote makes a difference--so they just don't vote at all, to the voters 40 yrs and older of whom allow the power and impact of their votes to become splintered over Wedge Issues.

Lastly, both conservatives and Democrats btwn the incomes of 20K - 100K do not fund and recruit their candidates the same way the lobbyist, corporations, wealthy elitist and Bankers do.

The incumbent politicians of both parties only pander to every day voters who earn 20K - 100K; b/c we don't send them enough money to get re-elected as a result, these incumbents will pass laws and legislation which benefits the people who spent millions to them re-elected! Thats the reality of American politics.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand and comprehend. We the People, including members here at AWE need to stop complaining, bitching-n-and moaning about the current crop of politicians in congress and running for the W.H. Why complain about the RAT INFESTATION in our Govt and in our politics, when "We The People" let the rats into our political system in the FIRST PLACE!

flaja · #19 (**permalink**) 06-13-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Heckler

Yes I would, but I have only a limited amount of time to spend here.
How do you propose we proceed?

Back in the 1990s, I prepared a model charter for the GOP when I was young and stupid enough to think the GOP could be reformed and salvaged. PM me your email address and I’ll send it to you. I know that the Democrat and Republican Parties are organized according to state law from state to state, but here in Florida at least a 3rd party pretty much has carte blanche to make up its own rules.

The problem with trying to organize a 3rd party is that you cannot really attract members until you have a platform because people want to know what they are getting in to before they commit their time and money. But the platform you create will, no doubt, determine how many members the party can attract. I’ve often thought to trying to promote an effort to merge existing 3rd parties, but if I ever did, I wouldn’t worry about the platform first thing. Let the various parties decide on the mechanics of how the merged party would function, then once the various parties are in the habit of agreeing with each other on mundane things, maybe they can tackle the controversial issues that the platform must address.

ladym · #20 (**permalink**) 06-13-2007, 08:06 PM

Are Politicans out of touch with us?

Yes.