I've always felt my mindset beliefs were set in the future rather ignorant times here in 2007.

Religion being always mixed with political belief systems that confuse issues of our time.

I know without a doubt, the future holds a political future where we have a President elected without any religious beliefs that will govern America well.

It is possible to have a great man/woman that can lead well and has morals, values, integrity and character without any religious affiliation.

The very notion that we need to infuse religion to elect a good leader is beyond comprehension.

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You can't be a politican and be a true christian. Religion corrupts politics, separation of church & state, voting with religious intent is very wrong.

And just were would these moral beleifs come from i wonder, do tell seriously i am very curious to try and fully understand were you are coming from.

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I've never supported bringing ones faith into politics. It automatically becomes more difficult to compromise or find some consensus of issues when religious beliefs are brought in. If faith and politics are separated, it doesn't really matter whether the President is devout.
Also, the idea that God or Jesus has chosen one particular political party or would vote for one party is ridiculous. Often I see people say God is on their side or imply it in their statements and just laugh.

Just a question: is this an issue you have been wrestling with for sometime (meaning before the current administration), or are these thoughts that you are bringing to the forfront because this particular president expresses his faith openly?

We have had many, many other presidents of strong faith before.

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"A committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing but together can decide that nothing can be done."
Fred Allen

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul."
George Bernard Shaw

"Politics is the art of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."
John Galbraith

Are you asking me?

I've always felt faith and politics should be separated.

It was just a general question.

I believe that many are having a hard time with this issue because this particular president is so open with his faith.

And the issue with that is.....

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"A committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing but together can decide that nothing can be done."
Fred Allen

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul."
George Bernard Shaw

"Politics is the art of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."
John Galbraith

Faith makes it more difficult to negotiate and be a politician when one is entrenched in their position for religious reasons. Bush is a less effective politician as a result of his faith. When faith is combined with politics emotions instead of practicality tends to prevail.
Second, what compels him to endorse his own faith publicly? Faith is largely a private matter as far as I'm concerned. I usually find that the most devout do not feel the need to constantly reference their faith because they live out their beliefs. In my opinion, Bush's public displays of faith are an attempt to solidify his status with the religious elements of the Republican Party to score political points.

You're a real cocksucker. Not only do you start threads that are ignorant, but then you don't even bother to stick around and debate the very topics you start. What the fuck is wrong with you?

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THAT explains it!!!



Word of warning... I don't play well with others.

He's winding up for another sales pitch .

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Oedipus Rex, I work a swing shift, couldn't stay around to argue - happy now? I suggest you grow up, get a life and stretch your mental ability to express yourself beyond the F word, it's sad and extremely lame.

About having morals without religion, I know atheists from living in Asia that have more morals, values and integrity than most christians. Where do people make the connection that you have to have religion to have morals? Total nonsense, there is no connection. Having no affiliation with organized religion
doesn't mean one loses their integrity, character, family characteristics.

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You can't be a politican and be a true christian. Religion corrupts politics, separation of church & state, voting with religious intent is very wrong.