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Old 05-21-2007, 09:51 AM
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As commander in cheif....the resposiblity rests on his shoulders....I have never seen such duality......then the mess in Iraq is the fault of the military? Never heard of the phrase....the Buck Stops Here? No one has abandoned the quest for Mr. Ben....what are we to do...cross soverign borders without permission..and if the permission is granted...by this time he merely is reclocated...or do you suggest we invade Pak. or maybe Iran? You think that he is to stand up and say...if he still is alive...here I am..I will wait for you?

And I see you very much fall for the propaganda of the media....perfect storm.....If the politicians would stop micro-manging for political gain...this country would have already been under control....if the military had simply been left to do their job...first..secure the country and rule for a time under marshal law...until such time as the new government is able to defend itself.....this conflict is undermined at every chance by those that wish politcal gain. BD

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I thought it was very ironic for the Surrendercrats to blame Bush for the problems in Iraq but on this thread Jimma Cawder is given a pass and the blame is placed on the "military" as though being Commander In Chief is meaningless. Maybe for a Surrendercrat it is meaningless.

Cawder was the worst president in the history of the United States. He sold out our allies in the Middle East, he gave away the Panama Canal, he oversaw the worst economy since the Great Depression (his only plan for the country was for us to become a second rate nation and wear more sweaters).

The only reason Jimma Cawder was elected president was because the news media demonized the Republicans to the point the country would have elected Donald Duck if the Surrendercrats had nominated him. Cawder is the most anti American president this country has ever had.

"National Malaise" indeed. What a dweeb
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:11 AM
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I thought it was very ironic for the Surrendercrats to blame Bush for the problems in Iraq but on this thread Jimma Cawder is given a pass and the blame is placed on the "military" as though being Commander In Chief is meaningless. Maybe for a Surrendercrat it is meaningless.

Cawder was the worst president in the history of the United States. He sold out our allies in the Middle East, he gave away the Panama Canal, he oversaw the worst economy since the Great Depression (his only plan for the country was for us to become a second rate nation and wear more sweaters).

The only reason Jimma Cawder was elected president was because the news media demonized the Republicans to the point the country would have elected Donald Duck if the Surrendercrats had nominated him. Cawder is the most anti American president this country has ever had.

"National Malaise" indeed. What a dweeb
Nate, the said thing is that Carter is the only Democrat that I have ever voted for on the national scene. I thought like most Americans that the country needed a change but we didn't want what we got for our vote.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:45 AM
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What a bunch of absolute garbage. Jimmy Carter never should have been allowed off the peanut farm. HE started this whole mess in the Middle East when he orchestrated the fall of the Shah and handed Iran over to the Mullahs. Until then Iran was working on building a strong democracy. Now it’s the most dangerous radical country over there. Furthermore, he's the one who convinced Saddam to wage war on Iran which got the whole ball rolling there. So please don't tell me he's not responsible for what's going on in the Middle East today. He set the stage for all of it.

The ONLY comfort I have where Carter is concerned is in knowing he will answer to God very soon for the millions of deaths he is responsible for in the Middle East and all the suffering he caused millions more, especially in Israel. And I really think he knows that. Just look at his eyes.
I don't think Carter orchestrated the fall of the Shah, mom....who BTW wasn't a beacon of democracy...actually closer to Saddam Hussein in that regard although not quite as bad....and the Shah was pro-US, of course.

Could and should Carter have done something militarily in response to the Iranian Revolution in 1979.....maybe, but then again, maybe that really wasn't an option. One just needs to look at a map in 1979 and see who sat on Iran's northern border....it was usually wise in those days for both sides to maintain a safe distance from one another.....putting a large conventional US force in Iran would've been dangerously close to the Soviet Union....and who knows how they would've reacted.....are you sure it would've been a wise idea to up the ante like that???
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It sure is easy to forget the history of one politician when you're so busy hating another one.

Jimmy Carter's involvement in the fall of Iran was not just a matter of making a choice to not get involved. In fact, Carter was following what had become a U.S. tradition of using the CIA to manipulate the governments in Iran to find what they hoped would be a totally anti-Soviet government. It didn’t matter at that time what the replacement was, as long as it was anti-communist. The hopes that the U.S., hand-picked and placed Shah would be just that came to a grinding halt when the Shah, installed as Emperor started warming to the old rule of law democracy that Iran had enjoyed in previous years.

But the whole deal crumbled when Carter tried to scam the Iranians by slipping several of his personal friends into a huge port complex deal at Bandar Mahshahr, as "advisors"; the Shah didn't buy it. Carter got furious and since the Shah wasn't working out exactly the way the CIA had hoped anyway the plans were made to have him removed.

Carter began making his human rights accusations and demanding that the Shah step down and turn power over to the Ayatollah Khomeini. But his interference didn't stop there. The CIA invented the "Islamic Revolution" and Ramsey Clark sold it to the world. Then Carter had the U.S. Pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders – about 150 of them – to acquiesce to the Ayatollah and not fight him. It didn't matter to Carter that Khomeini was a madman. But, the Shah's military listened to Carter. In one of the Ayatollah's first acts as supreme leader, all 150 top military commanders along with more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians were murdered by firing squad. Soon the new Iranian government was ransacking our embassy and held hostage its staff for over a year.

In retaliation for turning their backs on him after he helped put them in control of Iran, Carter then met with Saddam Hussein in Saudi Arabia and led the call for the September 22, 1980 Iraq invasion of Iran. That war cost millions of Iraqi and Iranian lives.

So, all Carter’s “help” in Iran resulted in was creating one of the most militant anti-American radical Islamic dictatorships ever and in their hatred for the U.S. the Iranians have become pals with Russia. Remember, for decades the U.S. involvement in Iran was to prevent that very thing from happening and Jimmy Carter single handedly drove the two countries together.

http://www.setad.org/PDF/carter.pdf
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"hell he couldn't even get a successful raid to rescue the hostages."

>>>He must've thought the Iranians would welcome him with flowers.
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"as I feel he is directly responsible for those thugs from Iran"

>>>Ah, er, BD, I think yer confusing Carter and Reagan. Reagan provided ARMS to the thugs (of course it was against the law, but that doesn't seem to be a major concern for Republicans).

PS - last I heard, Halliburton still has corporate offices in Iran.

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Here's another inside look at Jimmy Carter that will never be seen in the mainstream media that keeps trying to sell him as some kind of angel of "peace making".

Jimmy Carter: Human scum

Posted: December 15, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

When the nuclear-obsessed North Korean government got angry about the pro-American antics of John Bolton, they threw a temper tantrum during which they called Mr. Bolton "human scum."

The derisive remark about Bolton was way off the mark; John Bolton has been one of the world's greatest champions for freedom and liberty.

In this world of zany dictators, murderous tyrants and terrorists, we could hold a pageant to search for the best contenders for who should wear the banner representing "human scum." But Jimmy Carter beats them out and deserves to have the crown all to himself.

This week saw new charges of lying, plagiarism and anti-Semitism directed toward Carter for a new book he's authored. These latest missteps reinforced what many of us have long known: Jimmy Carter is a bitter man who has recklessly celebrated tyranny, given cover to our enemies and undermined the forces of liberty.

No other prominent American has so often pursued appeasement and kinder treatment of the agents of evil: the communist Soviet bloc, the crack-pot communist regime in North Korea, the murderous communist regime in Cuba, Islamic radicals in Iran, Palestinian suicide sponsors, Islamic terrorist groups in the Middle East and Hugo Chavez's Marxist regime in Venezuela to name a few.

Not once has Carter's "be kind to the murderous forces of tyranny" approach brought about peace or harmony for the world's people. Instead he has undermined the standing of free nations in their efforts to spread the light of freedom and democracy throughout the world.

As WorldNetDaily reported last year, Carter embraced one of Saddam Hussein's Iraqi intelligence agents involved in the United Nation's oil-for-food scam, prior to the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Jimmy Carter has long been dogged by charges of an anti-Israel bias, but now the former peanut brain, excuse me, peanut farmer has decided he doesn't care if everyone knows his true antipathy toward the Israeli people.

In Carter's new book, "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid," he compares the Israeli government to the internationally condemned system of apartheid in South Africa. In doing so, Carter makes it clear that when it comes to the democratically elected government in Jerusalem versus the forces of Islamic terrorism, he is sympathetic to the side of the terrorists.

Since leaving office, Carter has repeatedly spoken out against the peaceful people of Israel and instead befriended the PLO terrorist leader Yasser Arafat, while working to pressure Israel to give more land away to the terrorists.

During the elections in the Palestinian territories, Jimmy Carter went so far as to travel to the region to validate the election of the terrorist group Hamas to head the government there. He went on to beg the international community to give millions of dollars in cash to Hamas, providing hollow assurances to the world that any money received wouldn't be used to fund the group's paramilitary and terrorist programs.

We've gotten such bogus promises before from Jimmy Carter when he promised us his special deal with the North Korean communist regime would mean a nuclear-free North Korea.

History proved it's best not to trust the promises of Jimmy Carter and his despot friends.

Earlier this year, I launched the Censure Carter campaign to hold Jimmy Carter accountable for his inexcusable conduct. We kicked off the effort in my column right here at WorldNetDaily.

Within days I was contacted by scores of people from Venezuela. These people were desperate to secure freedom and democracy for their nation, having lived under Marxist dictator Hugo Chavez's iron fist of fear.

They believed that Chavez had come to power in an illegitimate election, sanctioned by Jimmy Carter, and they wanted the world to know the truth.

Carter's response to these allegations has been the same "aww shucks, I can't be bothered with that" attitude that he has used every other time he has been criticized and caught for propping up authoritarian regimes.

Carter seems convinced that America is an "evil empire" and not the "shining city on a hill" that Ronald Reagan saw.

His allies in the political left and in the news media glorify Jimmy Carter's appeasement of terrorists and dictators. Jon Stewart had Carter come on "The Daily Show" so Stewart could absolve Carter of all his sins and heap endless praise on the former president.

Such foolishness trivializes the fact that millions of people now live under tyranny and untold thousands have died because of Carter's efforts since having left office. That's on top of those who suffered from his actions while in office.

Some people might be uncomfortable calling a former president of the United States "human scum," but when you consider how many people have lost their lives as Carter has sided with the forces of evil time and again, is there any other name that more appropriately describes this disgraced man?
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It sure is easy to forget the history of one politician when you're so busy hating another one.

Jimmy Carter's involvement in the fall of Iran was not just a matter of making a choice to not get involved. In fact, Carter was following what had become a U.S. tradition of using the CIA to manipulate the governments in Iran to find what they hoped would be a totally anti-Soviet government. It didn’t matter at that time what the replacement was, as long as it was anti-communist. The hopes that the U.S., hand-picked and placed Shah would be just that came to a grinding halt when the Shah, installed as Emperor started warming to the old rule of law democracy that Iran had enjoyed in previous years.

But the whole deal crumbled when Carter tried to scam the Iranians by slipping several of his personal friends into a huge port complex deal at Bandar Mahshahr, as "advisors"; the Shah didn't buy it. Carter got furious and since the Shah wasn't working out exactly the way the CIA had hoped anyway the plans were made to have him removed.

Carter began making his human rights accusations and demanding that the Shah step down and turn power over to the Ayatollah Khomeini. But his interference didn't stop there. The CIA invented the "Islamic Revolution" and Ramsey Clark sold it to the world. Then Carter had the U.S. Pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders – about 150 of them – to acquiesce to the Ayatollah and not fight him. It didn't matter to Carter that Khomeini was a madman. But, the Shah's military listened to Carter. In one of the Ayatollah's first acts as supreme leader, all 150 top military commanders along with more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians were murdered by firing squad. Soon the new Iranian government was ransacking our embassy and held hostage its staff for over a year.

In retaliation for turning their backs on him after he helped put them in control of Iran, Carter then met with Saddam Hussein in Saudi Arabia and led the call for the September 22, 1980 Iraq invasion of Iran. That war cost millions of Iraqi and Iranian lives.

So, all Carter’s “help” in Iran resulted in was creating one of the most militant anti-American radical Islamic dictatorships ever and in their hatred for the U.S. the Iranians have become pals with Russia. Remember, for decades the U.S. involvement in Iran was to prevent that very thing from happening and Jimmy Carter single handedly drove the two countries together.

http://www.setad.org/PDF/carter.pdf
That's very powerful and strongly stirs the memory of those days. Jimmy Carter really needs to be quiet on the issue of the Middle East.
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"as I feel he is directly responsible for those thugs from Iran"

>>>Ah, er, BD, I think yer confusing Carter and Reagan. Reagan provided ARMS to the thugs (of course it was against the law, but that doesn't seem to be a major concern for Republicans).

PS - last I heard, Halliburton still has corporate offices in Iran.
You need to go find your high school World History teacher and smack him silly.
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It sure is easy to forget the history of one politician when you're so busy hating another one.

Jimmy Carter's involvement in the fall of Iran was not just a matter of making a choice to not get involved. In fact, Carter was following what had become a U.S. tradition of using the CIA to manipulate the governments in Iran to find what they hoped would be a totally anti-Soviet government. It didn’t matter at that time what the replacement was, as long as it was anti-communist. The hopes that the U.S., hand-picked and placed Shah would be just that came to a grinding halt when the Shah, installed as Emperor started warming to the old rule of law democracy that Iran had enjoyed in previous years.

But the whole deal crumbled when Carter tried to scam the Iranians by slipping several of his personal friends into a huge port complex deal at Bandar Mahshahr, as "advisors"; the Shah didn't buy it. Carter got furious and since the Shah wasn't working out exactly the way the CIA had hoped anyway the plans were made to have him removed.

Carter began making his human rights accusations and demanding that the Shah step down and turn power over to the Ayatollah Khomeini. But his interference didn't stop there. The CIA invented the "Islamic Revolution" and Ramsey Clark sold it to the world. Then Carter had the U.S. Pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders – about 150 of them – to acquiesce to the Ayatollah and not fight him. It didn't matter to Carter that Khomeini was a madman. But, the Shah's military listened to Carter. In one of the Ayatollah's first acts as supreme leader, all 150 top military commanders along with more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians were murdered by firing squad. Soon the new Iranian government was ransacking our embassy and held hostage its staff for over a year.

In retaliation for turning their backs on him after he helped put them in control of Iran, Carter then met with Saddam Hussein in Saudi Arabia and led the call for the September 22, 1980 Iraq invasion of Iran. That war cost millions of Iraqi and Iranian lives.

So, all Carter’s “help” in Iran resulted in was creating one of the most militant anti-American radical Islamic dictatorships ever and in their hatred for the U.S. the Iranians have become pals with Russia. Remember, for decades the U.S. involvement in Iran was to prevent that very thing from happening and Jimmy Carter single handedly drove the two countries together.

http://www.setad.org/PDF/carter.pdf
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