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Old 05-21-2007, 03:24 AM
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Please remember Carter inherited the price controlled stagflation economy from the Republican Nixon/Ford team. He appointed Paul Volcker as fed chairman who's economic/interest rate policy we still follow today. The military boggled the Iranian Hostage rescue not Carter.

We all know Carter is correct that it was wrong to abandon Aghanistan and our war against those who attacked us. We know the unjustified and unplanned war in Iraq and the failed de-baathification and open border greed policy has led where we are today.This administration has weakened us . We have created the perfect storm in Iraq and fueled and trained jihadist .
As commander in cheif....the resposiblity rests on his shoulders....I have never seen such duality......then the mess in Iraq is the fault of the military? Never heard of the phrase....the Buck Stops Here? No one has abandoned the quest for Mr. Ben....what are we to do...cross soverign borders without permission..and if the permission is granted...by this time he merely is reclocated...or do you suggest we invade Pak. or maybe Iran? You think that he is to stand up and say...if he still is alive...here I am..I will wait for you?

And I see you very much fall for the propaganda of the media....perfect storm.....If the politicians would stop micro-manging for political gain...this country would have already been under control....if the military had simply been left to do their job...first..secure the country and rule for a time under marshal law...until such time as the new government is able to defend itself.....this conflict is undermined at every chance by those that wish politcal gain. BD
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Old 05-21-2007, 03:34 AM
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As commander in cheif....the resposiblity rests on his shoulders....I have never seen such duality......then the mess in Iraq is the fault of the military? Never heard of the phrase....the Buck Stops Here? No one has abandoned the quest for Mr. Ben....what are we to do...cross soverign borders without permission..and if the permission is granted...by this time he merely is reclocated...or do you suggest we invade Pak. or maybe Iran? You think that he is to stand up and say...if he still is alive...here I am..I will wait for you?

And I see you very much fall for the propaganda of the media....perfect storm.....If the politicians would stop micro-manging for political gain...this country would have already been under control....if the military had simply been left to do their job...first..secure the country and rule for a time under marshal law...until such time as the new government is able to defend itself.....this conflict is undermined at every chance by those that wish politcal gain. BD

Everything done by 'governments' is for political gain. That is the nature of the beast. Maybe if we had spent more energy going after Osama and not crossed sovereign borders in Iraq. we would have better results in the war on terror.
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What a bunch of absolute garbage. Jimmy Carter never should have been allowed off the peanut farm. HE started this whole mess in the Middle East when he orchestrated the fall of the Shah and handed Iran over to the Mullahs. Until then Iran was working on building a strong democracy. Now it’s the most dangerous radical country over there. Furthermore, he's the one who convinced Saddam to wage war on Iran which got the whole ball rolling there. So please don't tell me he's not responsible for what's going on in the Middle East today. He set the stage for all of it.

The ONLY comfort I have where Carter is concerned is in knowing he will answer to God very soon for the millions of deaths he is responsible for in the Middle East and all the suffering he caused millions more, especially in Israel. And I really think he knows that. Just look at his eyes.
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:19 AM
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What a bunch of absolute garbage. Jimmy Carter never should have been allowed off the peanut farm. HE started this whole mess in the Middle East when he orchestrated the fall of the Shah and handed Iran over to the Mullahs. Until then Iran was working on building a strong democracy. Now it’s the most dangerous radical country over there. Furthermore, he's the one who convinced Saddam to wage war on Iran which got the whole ball rolling there. So please don't tell me he's not responsible for what's going on in the Middle East today. He set the stage for all of it.

The ONLY comfort I have where Carter is concerned is in knowing he will answer to God very soon for the millions of deaths he is responsible for in the Middle East and all the suffering he caused millions more, especially in Israel. And I really think he knows that. Just look at his eyes.
The Shah, Democracy? I don't think so. As for answering to God, I don't think that will be a problem.
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The hatchet job you guys are putting on Carter is pathetic. You are pathetic.
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The hatchet job you guys are putting on Carter is pathetic. You are pathetic.
Seeker, I don't think that anybody is trying to hatchet job on Jimmy, but even Democrats are not proud of him. He has made a statesman and house builder, but he sucked as a President. I don't care if somebody thinks he inherited a problem or not. He had a bunch bad appointments, remember Bert Vance?
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:05 AM
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This the same Jimmy Carter that is was the ONLY President, in American history that managed to have double digit interest, inflation, and unemployment, all at the same time? Consider the source.
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:14 AM
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Please remember Carter inherited the price controlled stagflation economy from the Republican Nixon/Ford team. He appointed Paul Volcker as fed chairman who's economic/interest rate policy we still follow today. The military boggled the Iranian Hostage rescue not Carter.

We all know Carter is correct that it was wrong to abandon Aghanistan and our war against those who attacked us. We know the unjustified and unplanned war in Iraq and the failed de-baathification and open border greed policy has led where we are today.This administration has weakened us . We have created the perfect storm in Iraq and fueled and trained jihadist .
That's quite aunique take on Carter. I'll give you that. I prefer to focus on his Habitat for Humanity organization which I think is a wonderful organization and one of the few organizations that I'll actually contribute money too - when finaces permit. As far as his presidency goes, it was an absolute, complete, undenial trainwreck not only in policy but for morale of a nation.
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Carter says comments were ‘careless’
39th president had blasted Bush administration as ‘worst in history’
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Updated: 9:09 a.m. ET May 21, 2007
Former President Jimmy Carter on Monday said his comments over the weekend about the Bush administration were “careless.”

Carter was quoted Saturday as saying “I think as far as the adverse impact on the nation around the world, this administration has been the worst in history.”

The Georgia Democrat said Bush had overseen an “overt reversal of America’s basic values” as expressed by previous administrations, including that of his own father, former President George H.W. Bush.

Interviewed on the TODAY Show about the comments, Carter said, "They were maybe careless or misinterpreted." He said he “certainly was not talking personally about any president.”

When pressed by NBC’s Meredith Vieira as to whether he was saying his remarks were careless or reckless, the former president said, “I think they were, yes, because they were interpreted as comparing this whole administration to all other administrations."

Carter said he was answering a question about the foreign policy of former President Richard Nixon, as compared with that of the current administration. He said he wasn't comparing the Bush administration with all those through American history. But in comparison to Nixon's, the Bush administration's foreign policy "was much worse," Carter said.

On Sunday, in a biting rebuke, the White House dismissed Carter as “increasingly irrelevant."

“I think it’s sad that President Carter’s reckless personal criticism is out there,” White House spokesman Tony Fratto responded Sunday from Crawford, where Bush spent the weekend.

“I think it’s unfortunate,” Fratto said. “And I think he is proving to be increasingly irrelevant with these kinds of comments.”

Carter made the comments to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in a story that appeared in the newspaper’s Saturday editions.

Past critic

Carter has been an outspoken critic of Bush, but the White House has largely refrained from attacking him in return. Sunday’s sharp response marks a departure from the deference that sitting presidents traditionally have shown their predecessors.

In the newspaper interview, Carter said Bush had taken a ”radical departure from all previous administration policies” with the Iraq war.

“We now have endorsed the concept of pre-emptive war where we go to war with another nation militarily, even though our own security is not directly threatened, if we want to change the regime there or if we fear that some time in the future our security might be endangered,” Carter said.

In a separate BBC interview, Carter also denounced the close relationship between Bush and outgoing British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

“Abominable. Loyal, blind, apparently subservient,” Carter said when asked how he would characterize Blair’s relationship with Bush.

“I think that the almost undeviating support by Great Britain for the ill-advised policies of President Bush in Iraq have been a major tragedy for the world,” Carter said.

Carter, who was president from 1977 to 1981 and won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize for his charitable work, was an outspoken opponent of the invasion of Iraq before it was launched in 2003.

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This the same Jimmy Carter that is was the ONLY President, in American history that managed to have double digit interest, inflation, and unemployment, all at the same time? Consider the source.
I think Jimmy should have kept his criticisms, like his lust, in his heart. Isn't anyone going to mention his giving away the Panama Canal?
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