Thread: Are The '60's Finally Over?

Two things have happened recently that may signify the last gasp of 1960's liberalism. The last Kennedy brother has died and Obamacare has all but died on the operating table. Could these two events signal that we are finally free from the ridiculous influence of the 1960's hippy movement? Have we finally rid ourselves of the illusion that a radical utopia can exist where flower power and socialist ideals can defeat terrorism and create prosperity?

Of course I am not speaking of all liberalism; the balance of right and left in our country is a big part of what makes the United States so exceptional. This is about the very specific far-left brand of ultra-liberalism that took hold in the late 1960's in the drug-addled minds of middle and upper class teens and young adults who reaped the benefits of their conservative parents' lifestyle and then spit (sometimes literally) on everything in which their parents' believed.

For decades these radicals have tried to trick the nation into believing that radical change was the answer; that were it not for assassins' bullets or the results of close elections we would already know that 60's liberalism can remake America into a perfect society. Perfect by their definition would mean a nation that is admired by the rest of the world, free of any internal strife and filled with citizens (and non-citizens alike) who are healthy, wealthy and have no need to be wise because a benevolent liberal government would make all their decisions for them. They preached that the problem was not big government but rather that the wrong people were in charge of big government. All we needed was a far left leader with a far left Congressional majority to ram through far left programs and all would be ideal.

Of course they never could say who would pay for all this far leftness; nor would they admit that such programs could not be sustained for any length of time without repealing the laws of economics and physics. They never addressed the fact that there are those in the world who will never admire any society whose people do not worship and live exactly as they do. But they didn't need to prove their points. They had what-ifs and if-onlys and the curse of the Kennedys to blame for the fact that they could never actually prove their points.

Anyone who dared to disagree with 60's liberalism was called a racist or a warmonger because, in their twisted logic, anyone who didn't agree with radical 60's liberalism had to also be against the civil rights movement and in favor of the senseless mass murder of women and children in Southeast Asia (and then Iraq and Afghanistan).

Of course those who believed in 60's liberalism could continue railing against the establishment knowing that the establishment would keep them safe, prosperous and free so they could continue to rail against the establishment. Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, moderates - they didn't care who was in power - no one was immune from their childish rhymes and equally simplistic ideas. But it was easy for the children to do nothing but play when they knew the grown-ups were taking care of business.

So now, with the last remnant of Camelot gone and the American people standing up against liberal overspending disguised as reform, one wonders if these two events in the Summer of '09 will be what finally defeats the ignorance of the Summer of '69.

Perhaps what was needed to finally bury 60's liberalism was for the 60's liberals to finally get what they wanted: a far left president who has proven in six short months why 60's liberalism is doomed to failure. For this, history may owe the Obama/Pelosi/Reid triad more than we can ever say.

Hi Carole - I think you're a little off base in your assessment.

The 60's liberals were railing against a Democratic president, remember?

It was LBJ's war, and that's what they were protesting.

And, I really REALLY don't think you can blame it on the drugs, 'cause none of those clowns were in the White House - THEY weren't the ones who staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident and plunged this country into a hugely expensive war (which we lost) -

Carole - the HIPPIES WERE RIGHT!!! LBJ really DID stage the war, and Nixon really DID send in the CIA to shoot up little kids full of battery acid!

Carole - there is a NEW type of 60's hippie in town - one who is reasonably smart and can discern the truth better than most - only THIS time, it's a CONSERVATIVE!!! They call 'em "Tea Baggers", for lack of a better word -

And, just like in the 60's, they're just ordinary, average Americans who're smelling which way the wind is blowing, and.... saying Peee-Yeww!

Don't knock it Carole, I was there, I lived through it. The hippies were right, and that's the truth.

I don't know. I mean, Ronald Reagan died and all the Reaganomics wackos are still pretty boisterous.

And the new health care bill is getting closer and closer to passing. It might be full of compromise, it might not include the public option, but it will eventually. Old 60s liberalism came out of a reaction, a need for it. Without it, America would have transformed to fascism.

You can claim that the the kids were running around on their parents dime, but in reality, they saw this country turning into a nation full of robots, and they were rebelling against that. You claim they had some utopian, socialist goal but in reality there was no goal, they existed to shake things up, to stop the country from going in the direction it was going.

Liberalism has changed since then, and though we might not have the Kennedys, nor Martin Luther King, nor anyone who can even compete with heroes like them, we do have something going for us. And that's the fact that we have facts, that we have reason. While the right-wing radicals are busy flipping out and devolving into a bunch of kinder gardeners, the left is strong. The left knows what's best for this country, and they're pursuing it, no amount of childish insults will stop this movement. We have watched for decades and the truth was defeated by lies over and over again. But the truth will rise to the surface.

You think the 60s hippy has died, look at the new generation. We're everywhere, there might be stereotypes that we sit in coffee shops in Seattle and drink coffee, but this is just another lie intended to disenfranchise the movement. The right may brainwash a child occasionally with Jesus Camps and the Public School System, but unfortunately and certainly not deliberately, you are raising a generation of free-thinkers.

Two things have happened recently that may signify the last gasp of 1960's liberalism.

Paying for baby boomers, and paying for baby boomers. Selfish born, selfish die, fehkin hippys/hippoes.

Originally Posted by Carole

Two things have happened recently that may signify the last gasp of 1960's liberalism. The last Kennedy brother has died and Obamacare has all but died on the operating table. Could these two events signal that we are finally free from the ridiculous influence of the 1960's hippy movement? Have we finally rid ourselves of the illusion that a radical utopia can exist where flower power and socialist ideals can defeat terrorism and create prosperity?

I don't know about that - the "normal" ultraliberalism is over, but thanks to all the dumb fucks with a vote, the age of leftwing extremism, with communists in high positions in the government, has arrived.

Originally Posted by Rick

I don't know about that - the "normal" ultraliberalism is over, but thanks to all the dumb fucks with a vote, the age of leftwing extremism, with communists in high positions in the government, has arrived.

And we plan to kill the elderly and disabled as soon as possible.

Originally Posted by MrGrave

And we plan to kill the elderly and disabled as soon as possible.

Happens in every socialist system in the world - tell me something I don't already know.

Oh geezeus, here we go....................

Originally Posted by Rick

Happens in every socialist system in the world - tell me something I don't already know.

Name one.

Better yet, try to convince me Obama is actually a socialist. Every socialist in the world agrees he's a sell-out to big corporations.

Or Hell, even try to convince me that China or Laos or any other red curtain nation is actually socialist. Describe what socialism is, and then try to figure out how in the fuck those countries fit into the model whatsoever. You'd have an easier time with fascism.

Speaking of fascism, I did actually find a fascist nation that killed the elderly and disabled, several in fact. Never found a socialist one, though.

Maybe you'd have better luck with communism, except the only real communist people to ever exist were Native Americans like the Sioux and the Iroquois. And they didn't kill their elderly or disabled either.

No but honestly, it'll happen in America, you know why? Because we're liberals, and we eat old people for breakfast. Nom nom nom

Originally Posted by MrGrave

Name one.

Better yet, try to convince me Obama is actually a socialist. Every socialist in the world agrees he's a sell-out to big corporations.

Or Hell, even try to convince me that China or Laos or any other red curtain nation is actually socialist. Describe what socialism is, and then try to figure out how in the fuck those countries fit into the model whatsoever. You'd have an easier time with fascism.

Speaking of fascism, I did actually find a fascist nation that killed the elderly and disabled, several in fact. Never found a socialist one, though.

Maybe you'd have better luck with communism, except the only real communist people to ever exist were Native Americans like the Sioux and the Iroquois. And they didn't kill their elderly or disabled either.

No but honestly, it'll happen in America, you know why? Because we're liberals, and we eat old people for breakfast. Nom nom nom

I'm afraid you're wasting your time, not only do they not know how to define socialism, they wont even bother to look it up.