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03-06-2007, 11:16 AM
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Oursourcing + Privatization =
Walter Reed.
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03-06-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by George O Well
Walter Reed.
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Political terrorism. Make a problem so bad that people will accept any solution, especially a solution put forth by the people who created the problem. Source: Wardlaw, Political Terrorism.
Outsourcing and privitization - favorite terms of the neonazis who want to give America away.
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03-06-2007, 11:09 PM
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Some people hate to admit it but private businesses do not do everything better. One of the problems they have is thinking that only their own kind deserve decent care.
From what I've been reading, the Veterns Health Admin. was doing great under Clinton. He made it a first class health care system. Then Jorge took over and everything went downhill. The books are being cooked to look like more money is being spent, when in fact, drastic cuts are being made.
Big businesses don't care if the non-rich live in rat infested, mold riddeled apts. They believe that if that wasn't acceptable, people wouldn't live there. The truth is they have no place else to go.
Jorge is a perfect example of that mind set. No one would eat spoiled food if they didn't like it. Tell that to a starving child. What he and his admin. have done to our veterns is shameful. Jesus once asked if a man would give a hungry child a stone to eat. Jorge would. And he has done so to our vets, to our citizens in New Orleans, to the children he has cut off of fed. funded insurance, to the handicapped he has cut off of subsidized housing. Good job Jorge. Your mother is proud of you I know. You learned to be compassionate at her cold hearted, well fed, rich knee.
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03-06-2007, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by heyjude122
Some people hate to admit it but private businesses do not do everything better. One of the problems they have is thinking that only their own kind deserve decent care.
From what I've been reading, the Veterns Health Admin. was doing great under Clinton. He made it a first class health care system. Then Jorge took over and everything went downhill. The books are being cooked to look like more money is being spent, when in fact, drastic cuts are being made.
Big businesses don't care if the non-rich live in rat infested, mold riddeled apts. They believe that if that wasn't acceptable, people wouldn't live there. The truth is they have no place else to go.
Jorge is a perfect example of that mind set. No one would eat spoiled food if they didn't like it. Tell that to a starving child. What he and his admin. have done to our veterns is shameful. Jesus once asked if a man would give a hungry child a stone to eat. Jorge would. And he has done so to our vets, to our citizens in New Orleans, to the children he has cut off of fed. funded insurance, to the handicapped he has cut off of subsidized housing. Good job Jorge. Your mother is proud of you I know. You learned to be compassionate at her cold hearted, well fed, rich knee.
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Heyjude, excuse me, but the VA has had problems for decades and Bill Clinton never gave the military or the VA a second look while he was in office. You need to check your facts on this one.
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03-07-2007, 12:20 AM
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Heyjude, excuse me, but the VA has had problems for decades and Bill Clinton never gave the military or the VA a second look while he was in office. You need to check your facts on this one.
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My source was Paul Krugman at the New York Times. His article was reprinted in my local paper. In it he states:
"It is not clear whether the public will be told the full story, which is that the horrors of Walter Reed's outpatient unit are no aberration. For all its cries of "support for the troops," the Bush admin. has treated veterans medical care the same way it treats everything else: nickel-and-diming the needy, protecting the incompetent, and privatizing everything it can.
What makes this a particular shame is that in the Clinton years, veterans' health care - like the FEMA - became a shining example of how good leadership can revitalize a troubled government program. By the early years of this decade, the VHA was, by many measures , providing the higest-quality health care in America."
He goes on to say that Bush has done all he can to undermine that. They have carefully cooked numbers to pretend that it has been generous to veterans. That since 2001 federal outlays for veterans' medical care have lagged hehind overall national health spending.
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03-07-2007, 12:26 AM
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The cost of health care in this country is rising so fast that merely increasing the spending a little is no help. And the system is being swamped by returning vets. I heard one VA Dr. say that all returnees are in need of immediate care for post traumatic stress.
If we are going to provide our vets with the care they need and deserve, we are going to have to find the money to pay a great deal more than we are now. The current admin. has shown no inclination to do so.
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03-07-2007, 12:41 AM
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03-07-2007, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by heyjude122
The cost of health care in this country is rising so fast that merely increasing the spending a little is no help. And the system is being swamped by returning vets. I heard one VA Dr. say that all returnees are in need of immediate care for post traumatic stress.
If we are going to provide our vets with the care they need and deserve, we are going to have to find the money to pay a great deal more than we are now. The current admin. has shown no inclination to do so.
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Your first mistake is considering anything that comes from the New York Times as beining a good source....The facts are Clinton's Administration cut the budget by over 33%, just in his last 3 years in office (97-2000), before this there were some 5300 workers laid off. His own Sec. of the VA system told the congress in 96 that the projected reductions would and I quote ruin the VA. I'm do not agree with Mr. Bush, but according to record, there has been a 77% increase in the budget for the VA form 2001 to current....I'm not a republican but I do like to deal in facts and not opinions, my politics lie somewhere in the Center. BD
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03-07-2007, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rob
Heyjude, excuse me, but the VA has had problems for decades and Bill Clinton never gave the military or the VA a second look while he was in office. You need to check your facts on this one.
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Rob where is your proof.....for this statement. When you make an accusation like this, don't you think you should back it up with a URL link!
I'm sure there's something out there ....... don't you?
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03-07-2007, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bluedog
Your first mistake is considering anything that comes from the New York Times as beining a good source....The facts are Clinton's Administration cut the budget by over 33%, just in his last 3 years in office (97-2000), before this there were some 5300 workers laid off. His own Sec. of the VA system told the congress in 96 that the projected reductions would and I quote ruin the VA. I'm do not agree with Mr. Bush, but according to record, there has been a 77% increase in the budget for the VA form 2001 to current....I'm not a republican but I do like to deal in facts and not opinions, my politics lie somewhere in the Center. BD
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Bluedog, Clinton did not make those cuts during a time of WAR. Bush has cut VA funding by billions of dollars while the military is at war!
Now tell me which one is more detrimental to our troops! Bush decides to cut back despite the fact that 10,000's of our service men and women are coming home needing assistance from the VA!!!!!!!
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...d2cWVlRUV5eTI=
http://talk.rgj.com/viewtopic.php?t=15354
http://www.drudge.com/news/90453/bus...uts-va-funding
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