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01-04-2007, 05:15 PM
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Truth or Fiction - Fact vs. Conspiracy
This is someone else's post from another site (called Synner from IH Forum) - but I just had to pass it on!
It is long - but, worth the read - and I really mean that!
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Gather around, boys and girls. I’m going to tell you a story. These are my own words…my take on facts I’ve gathered. There will be a one question quiz at the end of it, so please pay attention. It’s a long story, but I promise you an interesting read…
Part 1. The Evolution of Modern Banking.
In the early days of banking (in the middle ages), gold was kept in strong boxes belonging to goldsmiths. A fee was charged for the safe keeping of your gold and this is how the goldsmiths made their living. If you wanted to buy something with your gold, you could visit the goldsmith and remove some or all of your gold and go make your purchase, payment, or what have you. It didn’t take long for people to realize that gold was heavy, and an inconvenient method of payment. In response, the goldsmiths starting issuing receipts to their customers for the gold kept in the ‘bank’. At any time, a receipt could be brought back to the originating bank and redeemed for the gold it represented, at which time the receipt would be cancelled (destroyed). These receipts eventually started to be traded between consumers, with the end result being a rudimentary form of paper money. Of course, it didn’t take long for the smiths to realize that at any given time most of the gold was still in the strong boxes. In other words, even though people were trading their receipts, they rarely came in to actually redeem the receipts for real gold. As a result, they realized that they could cover loans far in excess of the value of the gold in their strong boxes. They simply wrote more receipts for the gold on hand and offered them as loans. One bar of gold or one sack of gold coins may have had five to ten receipts for it in ‘circulation’ at any given time. Quite simply, the bankers were creating ‘money’ (gold receipts) out of thin air. Better yet, the loans were repaid, with interest, in gold. The bankers were making profits on gold that wasn’t even theirs to start with. From this point, even a child would realize that this power enabled the bankers to control the circulation of ‘money’ by either making more money available for lending or less money available for lending. In this manner they could create shortages of money resulting in foreclosures. Think hard about this point for a second. The banks could now foreclose on property that:
Was originally funded by ‘money’ created out of thin air in the first place.
They could now sell to another customer by creating more money and loaning it to him.
Perhaps worst of all is the fact that the bank penalized the original owner for transactions that never involved real money in the first place. In other words, the Bank simply created the money to loan for the purchase, then turned around and took the property back when the customer couldn’t repay in real cash even though “real cash” wasn’t an issue when the bank had to come up with the money to loan out in the first place.
In the same manner, bankers could buy up entire corporations for fractions of their actual worth. This is exactly what happened later, in the US after 1929. A point that I will return to later.
Modern day banks operate on exactly the same principles. Sure, there are supposedly “rules” and “procedures” in place, but by and large this is the way banks make their money to this day. There are a few notable exceptions to this that I will get to later in this post, but perhaps now you understand why banks will now actually ‘pay’ you to keep your money in their vaults rather than utilizing the original model which had the customer paying the ‘bank’ for the safe keeping of their gold. They ‘pay’ you a meager return (interest) but loan out ten times the amount you deposited at three or four (or even higher) times the interest they are paying you to keep your money in their vault. They are quite simply gambling that you will not come in tomorrow and withdraw all of your money.
Ok…enough of rudimentary banking (that most of you probably knew already anyway), let’s move on…
Part 2. The Bank of England – A Bloodless Transfer of Power.
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
- Meyer Rothschild
As the financial power of the bankers began to rise exponentially, some notable names climbed above the rest. First and foremost was the enigmatic Rothschild family. The Rothschilds realized that there was no reason to limit their business model to common folks. Indeed, entire governments could be brought into the fold. All that was needed was the perfect setup. Being in positions of vast wealth and power, these banker were able to bring these changes about through patience, the proper backing of Royalty and politicians, and the general ignorance of those they sought to catch in their carefully laid trap. Meyer Rothschild, after amassing uncountable sums of money sent his sons to the five most prominent business centers in Europe. Each of them built up small empires, all ultimately owned by the House of Rothschild. So intricate, rich, and powerful was this house that rules were put into Meyer’s will that shaped the way the House would operate for centuries after his death.
For years European bankers had fought for a centralized private bank in England. Many already existed across Europe, but the hold out was (at the time) the most powerful Country on Earth. England. For a long time the House of Stuart was able to thwart the plans of the bankers, but only at a heavy price. Their respective short-lived reigns were plagued with Royal murders, wars, and religious clashes. Finally, after King James II was deposed, a Dutchman by the name of William of Orange took the throne. He signed the charter for the Bank of England and with a stroke of his pen changed the course of history forever. William was closely associated with the Dutch central (private) bank called Wisselbank, an earlier success story of the international banks (such as the Rothschilds). The Bank of England was now a privately owned bank that took over the issuing and creation of money for England. It became known as “The Crown” a title previously conferred on the Royal House of England. With this feather in the caps, the international bankers were able to fund many wars. Not just one side, mind you, but both sides of every war that has happened since this transfer of power. War is the greatest money maker in the history of the world, provided that you are in the right position to capitalize on it, and capitalize they did. This was the brilliance of the Rothschilds. It’s what set them, and several other Houses apart from the other bankers. The ability to put themselves into situations where outcomes didn’t matter because they won either way. That continues into the present day. However, there was still one more big thorn coming, and that would be the American Revolution and the subsequent rise to unparalleled power of a people not under their monetary control.
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01-04-2007, 05:16 PM
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Part 3. The United States – not an easy fight.
“Whomsoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.” – President James Garfield 1881.
A few weeks after he made this very statement publicly, Garfield was assassinated. A tactic you will soon see has been repeated several times in America. In 1791, the first attempt at a US Central bank was made. The bank was created with a renewable Charter. In 1811, under heavy pressure from the public out of the fear of the power the Bank held, the Charter was not renewed by Congress.
Just a few years later, they tried again, and again were successful. A new central, privately held bank was created, again with a renewable Charter. In 1828 Andrew Jackson worked feverishly and in the end successfully lobbied for the non-renewal of the Bank’s charter. Shortly after this, two attempts were made on his life, both of which he survived. After this period, debt free banking reigned supreme. That is, until the next window of opportunity presented itself to the greedy international bankers. The American Civil War. In this war, the bankers saw an opportunity to divide the only powerful western country to defy them. By funding both sides of the war via direct loans and loans to each sides allies, they hoped to reach a stalemate that would result in to smaller, and more importantly, weaker Republics. The joke was on them. When faced with the prospect of borrowing money at 30 percent interest from the international bankers, Lincoln essentially told them to ‘fuck off’. He empowered his government to print its own money. He declared that money ‘legal tender’ (an important designation) and paid his troops, bought his supplies, and paid for foreign aid with it. After restoring the Union and returning coining power to the government (where the Constitution says it must lie, he was thanked with a bullet that killed him.
Finally, we arrive at the end result. In 1913, during the Christmas holiday when most of Congress was away, Woodrow Wilson enacted the Federal Reserve Act. This act created the Fed, as we know it today. It’s a privately held bank charged with creating and controlling the money supply within the United States. Less than a year later came the 16th amendment which created the IRS, the enforcement arm of the new Government. Since that time, the United States has always been in debt. Our taxes, forced on us by this illegal act, do not pay down this debt. They pay the interest on it. When the US government needs cash, the Fed simply creates it, out of thin air, just like the goldsmiths of yesteryear did. In November of the following year (1914) the Fed had set up it’s twelve regional ‘banks’ and the coup was complete. It’s no coincidence that in this same year, WW1 began in Europe. Before long, the Fed, like all of the other Central Banks of thw world, were funding the war on all sides. Three years into the war, England was on the verge of defeat. At risk were billions of pounds lent to the English government. In order to ensure repayment of that money, it was decided that the United States must enter the war. By way of engineering the outlook of an isolationist favoring population via events like the sinking of the Lusitania, America entered the war and the rest, as they say, is history.
When Wall Street crashed in 1929, amazingly enough, all of the players on the international scene were cash heavy. This means that they had almost completely withdrawn from the stock markets of the world prior to the fall. Of course, this enabled them to gobble up corporations left and right at the cost mere pennies on the dollar. Many of these Houses, and the corporations they scooped up would go on to become important players in the run up to WWII. Finally, in 1933 President Roosevelt issued Presidential Order 6102. This order required all Americans to turn in their gold and silver to a local Federal Reserve Bank. Our nation was now bankrupt and completely reliant on loans from the Fed to survive. What did the Fed do with all of this gold? Simple, they sold it at twice it’s market value to foreign investors.
World War II was an eerily similar setup with far reaching goals unknown to most of the players in the war. Namely another step in the eradication of nationalism. Toward this end, the cartels funded Hitler, an unlikely leader, and with those funds he produced a war machine the likes of which the World had never seen. The number of American and British firms and banks that bankrolled Hitler is staggering, and I encourage you to do some research in this area.
Part 4. Custard’s, uh, I mean Kennedy’s last stand.
Since the passage of the Federal Reserve act, many American’s have voiced their objections to it. Not the least of which was Woodrow Wilson himself, the very man who enacted it. He later went on to recant his views on the Fed and wisely foretold of the dark times to come as a result of it’s creation. There have even been speeches on the floor of Congress, that are still available in the Congressional Record.
Perhaps the most noteworthy (and last real challenge to the Fed) opponent was John F. Kennedy. On June 4th, 1963 JFK signed Executive Order 11110. This EO was designed to strip the Fed of it’s power and return the control of money to the government, where it rightfully belongs. As a result, new Silver Certificates called ‘United States Notes’ were issued by the government and backed by hard silver reserves in the possession of the government. In November of that same year, of course, Kennedy was assassinated. Immediately, the printing of United States Notes was discontinued and within about 5 months, most the bills in the hands of the public were withdrawn from circulation. Interestingly enough, EO 11110 was never repealed by a later President. It is still in affect to this day. It’s just not enforced. Why…I can not say. I can only guess that perhaps it’s still on the books because by being there it, in effect, prevents future President’s from enacting something similar by way of redundancy.
Part 5. The Rise of the New World Order – Conclusion
This post is long enough already, so I will post this section, feel free to view the exceptionally well done video I have linked below. It’s long, but VERY informative and interesting. If it doesn’t open your eyes to all of this, then I’m afraid the elitists are right…nothing ever will. Thanks for reading this far.
The Monopoly Men
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77340464808778
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01-04-2007, 05:17 PM
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Part 5. The Rise of the New World Order – Conclusion
After years of eating away the power of the world's governments, acquiring levels of wealth that would make Bill Gates look like a homeless man, and setting up almost every major conflict we've seen in the last 4 hundred years...where are we now?
Anyone that has even casually read the so-called 'conspiracy theories' understands that the goal behind this de facto ruling body is a single world government. The elimination of nationalism and ultimately the return to a more feudal societal paradigm where nobility reigns and serfs merely survive as cogs in a machine. The death of the middle class. So who are these people, and exactly how do they exert their power?
To answer the first question, we can simply 'follow the money'. When we do (and I encourage you to research this on your own, not through conspiracy sites but through actual organization charts available publically) we find a small group of multinational organizations (or 'Houses') at the top of the food chain. These Houses are tightly interwoven and almost all of them have their roots in the House of Rothschild. Some of the players you may reconize are;
The Rothschilds.
JP Morgan/Chase
The Rockefellers.
The Harrimans.
The Shiffs.
The Warburgs.
More on some of these Houses later. It's important to note that there is a sort of hierarchy in place here in that most of these Houses rose to power by way of Rothschild financing. For instance, Rockefeller's Standard Oil was financed by the Rothschilds.
So now that we know some of the players, and I emphasize "some", how do they operate? How do they carry out these "nefarious plans" that I've alluded to. In order to answer that, I think a simple case study is in order. So lets go back in time a few decades to one of the most pivotal primary elections in US history. I refer to the Republican primary of 1940. The Democratic nominee, FDR, was openly pro-intervention. The people were adamantly anti-intervention, as was the leadership of the Republican party. The long time front-runner for the Republican party nomination was Robert Taft, a well-known isolationist (which loosely translates to Nationalist, btw). The organizer of the Republican National Convention that year was a man by the name of Ralph Williams, another hardcore isolationist. Just over a month before the Convention, Williams died (go figure). The man was 70 years old and it is possible that he did actually die from natural causes and that his death was just coincidence as far as timing goes. But consider this, either by way of murder, or pure luck, the man that replaced him as organizer was a guy named Sam Pryor. Pryor was, even at the time, rumored to be a British agent and in fact, is in some history books as such an agent. Mr. Pryor made last minute changes to the convention and packed the house with delegates representing the not-so-well known Wendell Wilkie. It's not a surprise that Wilkie didn't come out hard against intervention. In fact, Churchill was prepared to offer a truce to Germany had anyone but Wilkie won the nomination. As luck (or design) would have it, Wilkie did indeed win the nomination thanks to the fact that the house was stacked with his representatives. So now the American people faced a Presidential election in which the view on intervention was almost the same, no matter who they voted for...Wilkie or FDR. This should sound pretty familiar, because it isn't the first or last time something like this has happened, even in recent years. Anyway, FDR goes on to win the election as we all know. Here is what most of you don't know. Wilkie was a life-long Democrat who changed parties just prior to this election. He had never held public office.
Most interesting in all of this is Wilkie's post election antics. He became a HUGE supporter of FDR. He rallied hard for intervention and pushed hard for support of England no matter the cost. See the wiki article about him for more specific information such as:
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After the election, Willkie became one of Roosevelt's most unlikely allies. To the chagrin of many in his party, Willkie called for greater national support for controversial Roosevelt initiatives such as the Lend-Lease Act and embarked on a new campaign against isolationism in America. On July 23, 1941, he urged unlimited aid to the United Kingdom in its struggle against Nazi Germany. That same year he traveled to Britain and the Middle East as Roosevelt's personal representative, and in 1942 visited the USSR and China in the same capacity. In 1943, Willkie wrote One World, a plea for international peacekeeping after the war. Extremely popular, millions of copies of the book sold. Also in 1943, Willkie helped to establish Freedom House together with Eleanor Roosevelt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Willkie
This is how, despite the wishes of the American people, and despite the promises of the GOP and the apparent likelihood of their victory in the 1940 Presidential race, we entered the war. This travesty of democracy highlights the power and influence of those pulling the strings. Even today, in modern history, this defining moment of world history is glossed over by painting Wilkie as a 'moderate'.
How can this happen in America? How can such an event take place and not be mainstream history? The answer is easy, and most of you already know it. This same group of people pretty much control the mainstream media organizations. In as much as the adage "history is written by the victor" applies, so does the modern day variant of that statement; "current events are written by the media".
Almost all of the major media outlets are represented in the Buildeburger group I mentioned earlier. This allows the group to promote, ridicule, tamper with poll results, and label as "conspiracies" any story in any manner that suits their cause. This group meets in secret every year under heavily armed guard. Everything about these meetings is secret, including the invitation list and the agenda. But you can't possibly hide everything you wish to be hidden. News cameras from independent news organizations, and even in some extremely limited cases mainstream outlets have recorded at least some of the attendees arrivals. Here are a few notable sightings...
At one meeting a relatively unknown Governor named Bill Clinton was invited. He went on to win the next Presidential election. The same goes for George HW Bush. The names that have leaked out of these meetings really have to make you wonder. Of course the regulars include some of the people/families we've already discussed here. The Rockefellers and other representatives of the Rothschilds, various noble European Houses (who, interesting enough hold no "official" power), heads of media conglomerates world wide, heads of industry, etc. Do some research on this shadowy group and I promise you that you'll be astounded at not only the attendance rolls, but the timing of appearances by some of Americans most notable politicians.
In the end, I believe the facts support what many of the so-called "conspiracy theorists" are saying about this group of people. Unfortunately their words often get intermingled with terms like "Roswell", UFO, etc...forever damning these views. No surprise there.
So the question, that I promised in the first paragraph of my first post is this:
Given what I've spelled out here, and given the fact that the biggest advantage of this group is the ignorance of the masses, is it necessarily a bad thing to allow them to carry out their goals of one-world government and a return to a more feudal model of society? I will leave you with that question and a promise to answer it myself later.
I hope at least some of you have read this through to the end and at the very least it sparked an interest into this level of political control. With these posts in mind, it should be no problem for many of you to understand why it is that we continue to vote for this party or that party, yet always seem to end up with the same results, no matter who wins. I'll close by reposting a quote I used earlier:
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
- Meyer Rothschild
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01-04-2007, 05:35 PM
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Fantastic post. Sadly this only touches on the myriad of interconnections of these "money changers". There is so much more to the story, especially in these modern times.
to the question posed at the end, all I have to say is...
"Long Live the Republic"!!!!!!!!
oh and....
EAT THE RICH!!!!!!
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01-05-2007, 03:47 AM
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"Given what I've spelled out here, and given the fact that the biggest advantage of this group is the ignorance of the masses, is it necessarily a bad thing to allow them to carry out their goals of one-world government and a return to a more feudal model of society? "
Yes it is. It might 'sort of' work for some of us and very well for the elite few, but it's dishonest and unfair...and it sucks...and it makes me very angry!!
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01-05-2007, 04:30 AM
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Hmmm something to go along with this
Did you know that there is no law requiring a wage tax (income tax)? This is the reason the IRS has its own courts.
Also did you know that the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional?
Constitution Article 1 section 8
The Congress has the power ......
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To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
The Federal government pays interest to the Fed for making money. The Federal Reserve in no more Federal than Federal Express is.
There is a movie comming out by Aaron Russo called America Freedom to Fascism and from the trailers I saw it will be good and eye opening.
I also challange anyone to find a law saying that we have to pay an income tax. (several have been amde but have been found unconstitutional by the supreme court)
I also challange you to prove to me that the FED is Constitutional.
Check out these sites before you jump all over me. This first site is about the movie. Watch the trailers.
http://freedomtofascism.com/
http://www.paynoincometax.com/
http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm
http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy36.htm
This is the interview with Aaron on Politics and Religion. It is also good
10/4/06Interview with Aaron Russo  
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01-05-2007, 05:50 AM
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This thread is a very good read. Glad to see that there is someone else in this forum whom is capable of seeing outside of the phony Left/Right Paradigm. I'm going to read this in more depth latter when i am more awake 
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01-05-2007, 10:49 AM
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I should also add that I have never believed in all this conspiracy stuff - mainly because the people who often spread it are people I despise, Nazis, Jew haters, and paranoid delusionals.
But I'm begining to realise that this has prevented me from giving it the credibility it deserves.
But the person who originally posted this is someone I respect highly. He is an American who is not partisan and always considers his opinions very carefully. He is enormously well read and extremely intelligent and clued up.
For that reason alone, his opinion demands respect.
One thing is for sure - our freedom is gradually evaporating and the makings of a global government/new world order are there for everyone to see.
The question - as Synner said - is whether we are OK with that or not?

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01-05-2007, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Abuali8881
I should also add that I have never believed in all this conspiracy stuff - mainly because the people who often spread it are people I despise, Nazis, Jew haters, and paranoid delusionals.
But I'm begining to realise that this has prevented me from giving it the credibility it deserves.
But the person who originally posted this is someone I respect highly. He is an American who is not partisan and always considers his opinions very carefully. He is enormously well read and extremely intelligent and clued up.
For that reason alone, his opinion demands respect.
One thing is for sure - our freedom is gradually evaporating and the makings of a global government/new world order are there for everyone to see.
The question - as Synner said - is whether we are OK with that or not?

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god more rothschild conspiracy's.
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01-05-2007, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
god more rothschild conspiracy's.
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May I just ask one thing.
Watch the video that is linked in the article.
Just suspend all your pre-conceptions for a moment - and watch it, please.
I'd be interested if you feel any different once you see it.
Thanks 
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