Truth or Fiction - Fact vs. Conspiracy

Abuali8881 · #21 (**permalink**) 01-06-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rob

Well we can start by writing our congressman letting them know that we are aware of this and we expect some action. If enough of us do this then maybe we can get something done. Have you ever written your congressman about anything? I study the voting records and let my guys know if I approve or not. They sometimes respond but at least I let them know.

That's got to be a good start.

If enough people start making a fuss, perhaps politicians will start asking qustions for us.

Abuali8881 · #22 (**permalink**) 01-06-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

And how do you know this isn't propoganda?

I think more people haven't responded to this discussion because usually the people who make these arguments stretch the truth or tell outright lies in order which defeat any argument they might have. If anyone were to take this as true then the origianl author would have to make sure he is accurate in what he says. For example, EO 11,110 wasn't going to do what the author said it was. It actually had to do with another EO and what it does is give the Secretary of the Treasury some more power. It was not written to issue more silver certificates. So, when the author of the essay says things like this and while he does it, he associated the Kennedy assassination to it (along with Garfield's and Lincoln's assassination earlier), he discredits himself.

Also, the author of the essay should perhaps research into how the Fed "creates" money, as it does not actually create money. Not to mention, the people who argue this often argue the unconstitutionality of the Fed while ignoring Supreme Court cases as well as the Necessary and Proper Clause of the Constitution, which do say that the Fed is constitutional. They also refuse to note that the Fed has returned approx. 95% of its net revenue to the Treasury each year since 1914. It merely keeps some of the money to pay for overhead.

These are just a couple fo the issues the essay writer brings up which are inaccurate and misleading.

Believe me I have always resisted falling for such conspiracy theories, but I'm begining to believe there is truth in it.

Did you watch the video btw?

Besides that - one can hardly fail to see that there is something very wrong with society at the moment - materialism, breakdown of family values, the power of Banks and the rich elite and the way they influence TV, Papers, politicians.

Maybe if people like you and I did more research and tried to find out if there is truth to these theories or not - or whether it is just the way things are evolving.

At least we should be debating it more - no?

Dom1 · #23 (**permalink**) 01-06-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Abuali8881

Believe me I have always resisted falling for such conspiracy theories, but I'm begining to believe there is truth in it.

Did you watch the video btw?

Besides that - one can hardly fail to see that there is something very wrong with society at the moment - materialism, breakdown of family values, the power of Banks and the rich elite and the way they influence TV, Papers, politicians.

Maybe if people like you and I did more research and tried to find out if there is truth to these theories or not - or whether it is just the way things are evolving.

At least we should be debating it more - no?

I tried to watch the video but it wouldn't load.

I agree that materialism and the breakdown in family values are problems in society, but I hardly blame that on the Federal Reserve or international bankers.

No doubt that the media and television are major influences on our lives, but I don't think they are necessarily working in unison in that it is a grand conspiracy. I think for television and unfortunately the news media it is about profit margins more than anything.

As to the rich having power, I believe they have always had power and did os evenbefore modern banking. My point above was that a person could make a much more effective argument by not trying to stretch things like three seperate presidents being assassinated because of an international conspiracy. To me that is akin to the UFO argument the author says at the end. The author would just drive some people away from even considering the possibility if they present so called facts which are not really what they seem.

As to whether we should we be debating it . . . sure. The reason I come to these type of sites is to maybe learn a few things and to just engage in some intellectual exercise.

Kix · #24 (**permalink**) 01-06-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

god more rothschild conspiracy's.

It's not as crazy as you might think. There is a lot more to it than is even presented in this thread.

Kix · #25 (**permalink**) 01-06-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Abuali8881

Frankly I'm surprised not more people have contributed to this discussion - it is arguably the most important issue facing us today.

Everywhere we are bombarded with propaganda - and we all know it!

TV, News, Papers,etc... How many times to we sit and moan about the trash we are fed - who cares about what celebrity has banged who - apparently we all do - because it is front page news - we lap it all up.

And no one asks the big questions.

Are we really all so stupid?

No, we are not that stupid. But there is so much out there for people to see and hear, then wade and pick through. When you consider all of that and the day to day issues the average person has to deal with, even if someone is concerned, it just makes it so much easier to look at this sort of thing, sigh and just go on. Add to that a touch of apathy and we leave an open door to just about anything to take place behind our backs.

As for it being "the most important issue facing us today" I would have to disagree, but I will agree that it is a part of "the most important issue facing us today".

Jack Chilli · #26 (**permalink**) 01-07-2007, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kix

It's not as crazy as you might think. There is a lot more to it than is even presented in this thread.

I agree, and I was hesitant to endorse this. Just a tiny bit of reading leaves you seriously questioning.

Abuali8881 · #27 (**permalink**) 01-07-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

For example, EO 11,110 wasn't going to do what the author said it was. It actually had to do with another EO and what it does is give the Secretary of the Treasury some more power. It was not written to issue more silver certificates.

This is the exactlt sort of thing we need to discuss.

Are you sure that this is true? How do you know? What is your source?

We need to dissect all these arguments and discover whether there is truth in them or not.

What about this Buildeburger group? Is there such a thing? Does it meet in secret? Why? Can't the free world know what's going on?

Do they really control all the major banks, media outlets?

Is it true that Clinton and Bush visited their meetings before they were elected?

Why?

What did they discuss?

Why such secrecy?

Let's open up the whole thing!

If it is all lies and misinformation - then let's find out so we can all rest easy.

Jack Chilli · #28 (**permalink**) 01-07-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Abuali8881

This is the exactlt sort of thing we need to discuss.

Are you sure that this is true? How do you know? What is your source?

We need to dissect all these arguments and discover whether there is truth in them or not.

What about this Buildeburger group? Is there such a thing? Does it meet in secret? Why? Can't the free world know what's going on?

Do they really control all the major banks, media outlets?

Is it true that Clinton and Bush visited their meetings before they were elected?

Why?

What did they discuss?

Why such secrecy?

Let's open up the whole thing!

If it is all lies and misinformation - then let's find out so we can all rest easy.

It's not exactly going to be 'resting easy' is it? It'll just be the same as before but in full knowledge that, yes, you really are being ripped off by a massive a pyramid scam. People have become so opiated the majority would just say 'Oh, well, better the devil you know!' And that may be true, but I doubt it very much. I'd love it if this were a nice, loving, caring world and not the fearful shit hole that it is right now.

Abuali8881 · #29 (**permalink**) 01-07-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Chilli

It's not exactly going to be 'resting easy' is it?

My point is that IF it is all a load of paranoid nonsense - then let's find out and we can rest easy.

Lets ask our politicians, media, lobby groups - to get answers!

Let's test each and every one of the claims of the conspiricists - and let us either prove that it is all nonsense or not - one way or the other.

What I don't like is the smokescreen that seems to surround it all.

If the media can find their way into celebrity weddings, or chase Diana to her death - why the hell can't they tell us what is going on in those meetings in switzerland between the worlds most powerful and richest men??????

That alone makes me smell a rat!!!!!

Jack Chilli · #30 (**permalink**) 01-07-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Abuali8881

My point is that IF it is all a load of paranoid nonsense - then let's find out and we can rest easy.

Lets ask our politicians, media, lobby groups - to get answers!

Let's test each and every one of the claims of the conspiricists - and let us either prove that it is all nonsense or not - one way or the other.

What I don't like is the smokescreen that seems to surround it all.

If the media can find their way into celebrity weddings, or chase Diana to her death - why the hell can't they tell us what is going on in those meetings in switzerland between the worlds most powerful and richest men??????

That alone makes me smell a rat!!!!!

They occassionally do and are called mad conspiracy theorists! Those in power have got it all covered I reckon, they plan decades in advance. One little old hack aint gonna get far. Look what happened to Sarah Evans.