My Solution to Two Problems

Deadshot · #21 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:04 AM

Here's a question for your scenario. Jose and Maria have been here in the United States, illegally, for about 15 years. They have a 16 year old son, 11 year old daughter and a 7 year old son. Now the 11 and 7 year olds were born on American soil, so they're citizens.

So to follow your scenario we attempt to deport Jose and Maria and their 16 year old son. We can not deport the 11 and 7 year old children. I've got a 11 and a 9 year old. If you attempted to take both my wife and I away from our children...well it would be a bad and bloody day for all involved. Let me throw another wrench in your evil scheme.

Jose Jr. is the president of the Spanish Club and a decent athelete in his High School. He's a 4.0 student and has a chance to really contribute to society, his parents (who you obviously don't care about), but also his teachers and friends really like this guy and think he's a good person. Now when the Nazis invaded Europe many Jews were handed over to them, but a few - quite a few - were hidden. So what do you do to me when I decide to hide Jose Jr. from the deportation police?

So here are my questions, again referencing the above scenario...

How do you split up a family leaving two orphans here, with no way to support themselves, while sending both their ecnomic and family base away?
So how do you deport Jose and Maria and 16 year old Jose Jr. to Iraq, against there will, and expect them to serve?
So what do you do to me when I decide to hide Jose Jr. from the deportation police?
And, finally, how do you do it without looking like a Nazi?

Eternal Footman · #22 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

So here are my questions, again referencing the above scenario...

How do you split up a family leaving two orphans here, with no way to support themselves, while sending both their ecnomic and family base away?
So how do you deport Jose and Maria and 16 year old Jose Jr. to Iraq, against there will, and expect them to serve?
So what do you do to me when I decide to hide Jose Jr. from the deportation police?
And, finally, how do you do it without looking like a Nazi?

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It is far too easy, making those trying to uphold the law look heartless and cruel. Especially in response to a radical idea never designed to actualize, but rather to bring forward a couple of main problems facing our nation. Your hypothetical, tugging on the heart-strings of readers

, only skirts the issues. You are suggesting, based on status, law enforcement pick and choose who gets punished for illegal actions. I'm sure you can agree this is ridiculously impractical.

Kix · #23 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bloke next door

I can't imagine that you could get rid off them all solely in Iraq.
Would you consider North Korea as well. There is a fence they have to cross over which will make them feel like they are back home and a whole heap of landmines that will keep them heading north.
I shouldn't suggest such things but you wanted input.

*LOL* I like the way you think.. very creative.. I'll keep the North Korea thing in mind and make a note of it in my letter to I.C.E. and the Pentagon, thank you.

Deadshot · #24 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Footman

It is far too easy, making those trying to uphold the law look heartless and cruel. Especially in response to a radical idea never designed to actualize, but rather to bring forward a couple of main problems facing our nation. Your hypothetical, tugging on the heart-strings of readers

, only skirts the issues. You are suggesting, based on status, law enforcement pick and choose who gets punished for illegal actions. I'm sure you can agree this is ridiculously impractical.

Almost as ridiculously impractical as sending all illegal immigrants to fight in Iraq. Did you read the front page post that starts this thread?

How do you think the media would spin this? You don't think my example would be front page on every newspaper and newsprogram? I can't imagine any church in the Nation saying it was ok to take the parents away from their children.

So when you discuss my "hypothetical, tuggin on the heart-strings" scenario you need to realize that for every 10 illegal aliens out there 9 MIGHT be gang memebers/drug dealers/prostitutes/evil people but there is 1 good illegal just trying to find a better life. So for 10 million illegals that are in the country there is 1 million of them that are good. How do you think the media is going to portray them?

RASTAMAN · #25 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

Well Kix Rasta hasn't DISAGREED with you plan at any rate.
Oh and Rasta the money we spend in one week in Iraq would be sufficient enough to pay for what Kix has proposed.

I was asking for KIX to state/list step-by-step how he would achieve his plan. If you remember Kix said he had a solution!!! A solution shows how you would achieve your plan. At this stage, KIX just has an opinion not a Solution!!!! That's my point.

RASTAMAN · #26 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

Have you tried to hire a professional speaker lately?

Have you tried to hire a professional speaker as well!

Mr. Perfect.

RASTAMAN · #27 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kix

Gather up all the illegals in this country, both male and female, between the ages of 18 and 25, focusing first on gang members and those with a violent history. Illegals that are over the age of 16 but not in school need to also be collected.

Send them over to Iraq with no uniforms. This way they can "acquire" whatever clothing will help them blend in with the locals. Any illegal that is positively identified as a gang member will take ONLY the weapon(s) he/she was using in this country. All others will receive the very basic issue handgun.

Tell them they can come back to the U.S. as legal citizens ONLY when and if they win the war.

The result:
1.) We can bring our troops home and no more American citizens will get killed in Iraq shutting up the liberals in this country.

2.) Since there are more illegals in this age group here than we have troops in Iraq the number of fighters on our side (or sort of our side) will be greatly increased.

3.) Others who have been considering coming here illegally will have more reasons not to come than they do to come.

4.) The illegals in the U.S. will be immediately and dramatically decreased in great numbers.

5.) When and if the war is ever won the surviving illegals will have earned the right to citizenship.

So... what do you think?

HOW FREAKIN IMPRACTICAL IS THIS KIX!!!!

Areyouforreal · #28 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Have you tried to hire a professional speaker as well!

Mr. Perfect.

I wasn't talking about your speech I was refering to you saying talk is cheap. I was pointing out that people pay big buck to hear someone talk. Talk is not cheap for some it runs $100,000 a pop.

rob · #29 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 10:40 AM

Kix, first off we would need the INS to start soliticing info from schools and also have the social security adminstration start tracking down fake social security cards, that supposedly are now getting benefits paid into those accounts.

Once this is started you will need to pick a holding area to bring these people to, so that they can be processed and gotten ready for their mission.

I would think that we could get off duty law enforcement officers to adminstor this processing center. The state of Arkansas has Fort Chaffee that was used to house the south east asians years ago.

Count me in as a willing contributor to this plan.

RASTAMAN · #30 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

I wasn't talking about your speech I was refering to you saying talk is cheap. I was pointing out that people pay big buck to hear someone talk. Talk is not cheap for some it runs $100,000 a pop.

My bad, I took you out of context. I was referring to Kix's solution which really wasn't a solution-----but was just an opinion....so I referred to it as "Talk is Cheap"