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Old 12-05-2006, 06:37 PM
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The conservative movement in the United States has been stamped out, not by liberals but by neoconservatives. Conservative philanthropic foundations, conservative print media, and conservative think tanks have been taken over by neoconservatives, who have exiled real conservatives to voicelessness and joblessness.

Neoconservative translates as "new conservative." However, there is nothing at all conservative about neoconservatives. The name is a misnomer of the first rank. Neoconservatives believe that the US can deracinate foreign cultures and remake foreign countries in America’s image. True conservatives, following Edmund Burke, do not believe that a country can be shorn of its social, political, economic and cultural ways and made anew from the ashes.

Modern history bears out this opinion. The Jacobins of the French Revolution were going to transform not only France but also all of Europe, but no such thing happened despite the abolition of feudalism in 1792 by the National Assembly, the guillotine and France’s military dominance of Europe for two decades.

The Bolsheviks were going to transform Russia, but after 75 years of an unaccountable communist party, Russia has emerged more capitalist than when the communist transformation of Russia began.

Mao undertook to transform China by exterminating landlords, merchants and private property, but today China is emerging as the leading capitalist power of our time.

There was no skimping on the expenditure of human life in behalf of the great cause to remake human society. Victims of the communist "transformation" of Russia and China number in the tens of millions.

All of these outcomes reinforce the genuine conservative’s confidence in Edmund Burke. The only people who are intent on repeating the mistakes of the past are the neoconservatives, who believe they can remake the Islamic world in America’s image.

In the face of the total failure of their plan to remake Iraq and Afghanistan, neoconservatives continue to say that America must deracinate Islam and put in its place a women’s rights democracy. On National Public Radio recently, neoconservative Joshua Muravchik reaffirmed that it was America’s job to remake Islamic society.

Neoconservatism is actually a more extreme form of revolutionary utopianism than that of the Bolsheviks and the Jacobins. The Soviet communist party was content with trying to remake Russians. The Jacobins ran out of steam early, and Napoleon reinstituted the old order, dispensing titles of nobility and crowning himself emperor. Only neoconservatives are sufficiently ignorant and delusional as to believe that America’s overthrowing an Arab leader will result in Arab states reconstituting themselves in the West’s image.

Neoconservatives have demonstrated an unrivaled ability to detach themselves from reality. Americans should be terrified that delusional neoconservatives were able to seize control of the presidency of George W. Bush and commit the US to two illegal wars that have been lost and that have isolated the US from the rest of humanity with the exception, of course, of Israel.

The lack of any connection to reality makes the neoconservative print media, such as the Weekly Standard, the Wall St Journal editorial page, and National Review so absurd as to be unreadable. The December 4 issue of National Review, for example, has a cartoon portraying a US soldier in Iraq pondering the 2006 congressional election results. An Iraqi kid is tugging on the soldier’s trouser leg and saying "say you won’t go, Joe!"

National Review’s editors are as lost in delusion as President Bush. And they are just as irrelevant. It boggles the mind that there could be a journalist anywhere on earth who is unaware that polls of Iraqis consistently show that large majorities of Iraqis are "strongly opposed" to the presence of US troops in Iraq, believe the US occupation makes them less secure, and approve of the insurgent attacks on US troops.

When Bush says that the US will stay in Iraq and Afghanistan "until the job is done," what job is he talking about? The slaughter of civilians? The destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure and entire towns such as Fallujah? The incitement of civil war? Recruitment for al Qaeda and the provision of a training ground for Osama bin Laden’s followers? The fostering of Islamic extremism throughout the Middle East? These are the real results of Bush’s occupation of Iraq, but they are not what he means by "the job." In true Jacobin, Bolshevik, Cultural Revolution, neoconservative fashion, the job Bush wants to accomplish is the deracination of Islam and the recreation of Muslim society in America’s image. It is impossible to imagine a less conservative goal.

Bush has taken America far beyond the role of being the world’s policeman. Bush is America’s first Jacobin president. He is as far from a conservative as it is possible to be.

This articles original posting can be found at the following website: http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts185.html
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:49 PM
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what else but a conspiracy from the left
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:10 PM
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but today China is emerging as the leading capitalist power of our time.
China has a capitalist economy????? Huh.....never thought of it that way.
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:32 PM
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It's all a word game Petey. The liberals call the traditional conservatives neocons while the traditional conservatives view the RINO's as neocons. The RINO's and the liberals call the Democrats... heck I don't even remember what they call them. I just know that the majority of the country no longer has anyone in Washington DC that truly represents us.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:12 PM
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I think that one thing that we can all agree on is that GW Bush is not a conservative. All articles aside.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:14 PM
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what else but a conspiracy from the left
Are you honestly going to tell me that Bush is a conservative?

I think that you are a conspiracy.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:17 PM
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Are you honestly going to tell me that Bush is a conservative?

I think that you are a conspiracy.
what is that supposed to mean
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:25 PM
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what is that supposed to mean
Exactly.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:44 PM
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I think that one thing that we can all agree on is that GW Bush is not a conservative. All articles aside.
Of course he's not; he's a globalist and you cannot be both a globalist and a conservative at the same time.
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Old 12-06-2006, 06:30 AM
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Of course he's not; he's a globalist and you cannot be both a globalist and a conservative at the same time.
I think that depends on how you define globalism. I have heard it to mean two different things from people.
1. the trend toward a "one world government"
2. free-trade (no protectionism, tariffs, etc.) across the globe.

I believe in (2) but not (1). I believe the latter is a moderate to conservative-capitalist position, while the former may be an extreme left-wing (communist) or an extreme right-wing (fascist) position.

Bush, however, has held back our economy with his bailout of the steel & agriculture industries, which led to the collapse of the DOHA Round and cost us big money in the long run. His policies have led to retaliation and loss of trust and goodwill. How do our Canadian neighbors on this forum like 'dem lumber tariffs? You guys sure seem to be squeezing our tomatoes for that one...
Get rid of the lumber tariffs and Bob's our uncle!

Our own ITC figured the steel bailout a net loss of $42 million, but as Bruce Bartlett points out in his book "Imposter:" the ITC wrongly accounted for the tariff revenue in the plus column and ignored several negative factors. The ITC report did, however, also find that "workers were worse off by almost $400 million, while steel-consuming businesses lost about $600 million." Bartlett also suggests that one should consider the $650 million in tariff revenue as a negative effect on the economy (lost investments, etc) for a total loss of $1.6 billion, offset by a modest $300 million increase in profits for the steel industry.
Sure, those numbers seem insignificant in an $11 trillion dollar economy, Bartlett says, but keep in mind it was a net loss, and therefore bad for the economy.

I believe the conservative Republican position is to get rid of tariffs that protect huge businesses and to stop bailing out our industries. The only reason for a tariff, as our capitalist founders allowed, is to protect fledgling industries that can't immmediately compete with their established, well-financed rivals overseas. Once they're pulling their own weight, you remove the tariffs.

Now, when it comes to "one world government" and deference/submission to the U.N. and world courts, etc., the only place I believe world organizations of any kind have is in an advisory capacity, and in no way a compulsory capacity. It is appropriate to have standing bodies to monitor and encourage compliance of international treaties, but not to take military action as such standing organizations. That's what treaties are for. I don't like permanent treaty alliances, either. I prefer the "classcial balance of power," in which nations ally temporarily for the purpose of reducing an aggressive nation's military buildup to normal, defensive levels, and then disbanding their temporarily unified military forces.

I would prefer another term for worldwide free-trade thn globalism, and let it refer only to the idea of "one world government." I figure capitalism should do nicely, but too many people don't know what that means, either...
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