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Old 09-18-2008, 09:41 PM
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Why must we bail 'em out, I forgot?

Americans are their mindless slaves.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:57 PM
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Because. (10 character minimum is B.S.)
Try saying it in Redneck - "Jist on accounta' cuz". That'd use more characters.
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:01 AM
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Right on!!! Let me just make a note of that....

... McCain more interested in preserving his job than actually acting on his own stated principles...

Some fearless war hero ya got there...
Actually, this is the problem with everyone in politics..... they are more concerned with keeping their position of power than actually doing the right thing. I don't believe for a moment that McCain is the only one in power doing this... they all are.... every last one of those pigs in washington feeding from the taxpayer trough. None of them has a mind of their own, they get all their ideas from whomever is throwing money at them today... and they'll change their mind tomorrow when someone else is throwing money at them. The ultimate goal of course is to get re-elected at any cost, by saying anything but doing actually nothing. And it works everytime. The same idiots get elected over and over and nothing ever gets done. But they put on a good show and the majority of the masses listen and believe and never catch on to the fact that they are duped.
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:27 AM
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I have a Down-syndrome level of comprehension regarding economics.

I know the Federal Reserve is not a government agency.

I also know they print paper money which is backed up by zero commodities.

I know they distribute this paper and then expect interest back on it, which requires them to continue printing more worthless paper.

I know that taxpayers are required, under threat of imprisonment, to pay this interest for reasons which have never, ever, no-no-never been explained to the taxpayers.

And I'm pretty sure that these payments on bankers' interest far exceed anything that goes toward things such as social programs or anything that might tangibly benefit the average Joe or Jose or Kwame.

So I'm going to pose this question as simply as possible:

Why are we required to bail out fat fucking do-nothings who live like corpulent leeches on our labor? Did I miss the lesson where they teach you exactly when and how they're required to do ANYTHING to help us? As far as I can tell, we're duty-bound like galley boatmen to not only pay back our debts, but to do it with INTEREST while we're paying THEIR debts.

Your help and insight is appreciated during this time of crisis.
Are you saying you are a "fat fucking do-nothings who live like corpulent leeches"?

The ones who created the mess, profiting from placing at great risk the capital of others and creating a house of cards which when collapsing will undermine all trust required for markets to work, have long ago walked away with their ill-gotten plunder. That they took away your wealth even as you tried to have nothing to do with them, speaks to the need for bailing out you and most of us.

Think about it. Let's say you bought a plot of land at a fair market price, paid for with your labor, built on it a house with your own labor, paying for any materials with your labor. When you are done, this property is appraised most likely at a price higher than the sum of your labor at fair market value, reflecting your initiative. The breaking of trust by those profiting with nothing at risk has most likely destroyed the market for your property so that you will likely get a price less than your labor.

The first reason is the uncertainty in the market, with other properties falling in value as too many are offered.

The second reason is the forced deleveraging means banks aren't able to make loans, so those without cash can't hope to pay you what a rational price for your property is.

The third reason is the shortage of cash might make your labor worthless as you can't get paid what is fair, or your employer can't get the cash to pay you, making your need to tap into the value of the property which is the fruit of your labor, but that you can't because banks won't trust that you or they won't be able sell your property that secures the loan.

So, you have suffered a loss that might turn into a real loss even though you avoided all risk in order to avoid all loss.

The Fed and Treasury are acting to prevent assets like securities and firms with tangible and intangible assets from being dumped on the market when no one in the market has the cash to pay for them. They hope to restore some of the lost trust, so there won't be the pressure to dump assets for cash, or at least keep asset values from falling further.

The bad paper written since 2002 is like thousands of poison jelly beans mixed into the ten thousand jars of jelly bean shipped to customers and stores. The odds are low that you will be poisoned eating jelly beans, but how can you know? Every one sane stops eating jelly beans, or at least figures out how to detect the poison and carefully inspects each one. Even knowing how to detect the poison, you likely go on a diet.

The Fed is trying to take some of the suspect jars off the market, but some of the jars their forcing their store keepers to swallow, so the stockholders of Bear Stearn, Countrywide, have swallowed some poison, maybe a lot. But at least that takes some off the market. Other jars the Fed is taken and replaced with good ones from it own manufacturing plant.

So, the Fed is trying to bail out you and I, but it is true that some who played some role in this are bailed out as well, while others with less role are hit hard. I just checked my retirement, and my collateral damage is 15-16% minimum. I hope the Fed keeps it to that level and prevents it from increasing to a 30-35%. As it is, my break even will require a 20% rise in stock prices if it doesn't go down more.

I really hope the Fed bails me out by elimnating the uncertainty that's driving the market down.
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:08 PM
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So you are saying we all need to look in the mirror for blame!?! Interesting.

I don't need anyone to steal the sweat from my brow, thank you very much. If someone makes a bad decision...is it MY fault? And I never axed anybody to fix the results of any mistake I might have made.



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Old 09-22-2008, 10:24 AM
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And here I was, finally getting caught up on the taxes I "owe" for reasons no one has ever been able to adequately explain to me. Basically, the Chiggers family, based on nothing we've done whatsoever, now owes nine thousand MORE dollars merely to cover the fat, pimply asses of the fat, pimply rich.

It's impossible to gauge these sort of things, but I'd say it's fair to assume this "bailout" will cause far more tangible human suffering over the next decade than "hate crimes" will.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has their priorities ass-backwards, but that's presumably because it appears that so many of their benefactors wouldn't know poverty if it bit them on their fat, pimply asses.
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Old 09-22-2008, 03:50 PM
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So you are saying we all need to look in the mirror for blame!?! Interesting.

I don't need anyone to steal the sweat from my brow, thank you very much. If someone makes a bad decision...is it MY fault? And I never axed anybody to fix the results of any mistake I might have made.
Well, by electing people who promise that CEOs like Hank Paulson will make the economy work better by making up packages of toxic waste, one called GSAMP 2006-3 Trust (the "3" suggests it was the third one of 2006) made up of second mortgages that were high likely to default and produce no payback, and then selling them for $500+Billion to retirement funds and mutual funds and insurance companies, earning hugh commission which justify paying CEO Paulson tens of millions in bonuses, you are indeed at fault.

Did you vote for people who promised that deregulation would make things better by getting the government out of the way?

Then in 2006, Bush nominated Paulson to be Sec of Treasury, and he was approved by a Republican Senate in 2006, so that he can now, with Bush, propose buying the toxic waste he oversaw creating and marketing about three years ago.

Did you vote for Bush and the Republicans in the Senate who put the fox in charge of investigating the replenishing the chicken house he raided to eat most of the chickens?
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Old 09-22-2008, 07:57 PM
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The reason why is that they can get away with it. When the American People storm Wall Street with pitchforks and torches this crap will stop...and not a second before.
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Old 09-22-2008, 08:01 PM
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I really don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about Michelle Malkin. Left-wing looney or right-wing whack job, this is worth reading

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Old 09-22-2008, 08:10 PM
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It's a mobius strip: I think it works like this. You admit that you can't understand economics. So no matter how detailed or perfect an explanation you get, you will not understand it. So it always ends back at the beginning.

They knew this when they created the world, everyone, everything and institutions like this. They and everything else is just designed to help you along your journey on the mobius strip.

See, they really do care afterall.
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