Does the left feeled abused

jacob · #71 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

Sorry but Obama has not changed his position. He has always said that he would draw down troops within 16 months based on the logistics of the people on the ground. He has always said there would still be troops for over the horizon capabilities.
He has always said he would get the nation states in the M.E. involved as well as Europe & the U.N. All of these are apart of a future that is not black & white.
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Damn, how many of you niggers are in here?

Adults understand this....

I love it when people are duped by the media & the McCain campaign to distort what Obama has always stated into something else.

See this is how you false construct reactionaries work.

If Obama said I will take troops out regardless of the conditions on the ground-he's running from the fight.
If Obama says I'm going to keep troops there based on the conditions on the ground he's lying & tricking you.

No the only ones getting tricked are the people whom
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"Who," moron.

Sounds like he can't be trusted either way.

Sam · #72 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Changing your mind about an issue when presented with new information isn't weakness... it is the foundation of REASON!

Touché

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Originally Posted by jacob

Aw man. Don't tell me this is the enlarged avitar of Sam. Disappointing indeed. Not quite as disappointing as you, mind you. But still, disappointing nonetheless.

No, sorry it is not me, but I did see two men on the beach last evening that looked like that...they were also wearing old Larry Craig campaign buttons and muttering about being kicked out of a restaurant for toe tapping.

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Originally Posted by jacob

Sounds like he can't be trusted either way.

What has brought you to this conclusion?

Back Atcha · #73 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti

[color=blue]Democrats can't stop the war -- only the commander-in-chief can do that.

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Originally Posted by Dracula

A democrat controlled congress controls the money not the president. If the Democrats really wanted to end the war, don't fund it?

We already addressed that. Bush has them in a position that if they don't get the money, more of our youth dies. BushCo hides behind the honor of our troops, we already covered that.
Back Atcha

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Let's see now, BushCo had presided over an escalating mess up to that time... does that mean the democrats get to take credit for what improvements we've seen IN Iraq... finally... since 2006? I mean have you looked at the numbers from 03-06? They get worse and worse and worse, then the Dems take congress, and things start to get better... Hmmmmm...

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Originally Posted by Dracula

Are you going to give the Democrats credit for the improved conditions in Iraq over the last two years or give credit where credit is due, to the surge and General Petreaus. Even Harry Reid would not stop so low as to try to claim credit. Well, yes he would, the letter that Limbaugh auctioned off and donated the money plus a matching amount, Reid try to claim some credit for that.

You entirely missed the point. YOUR argument was contradictory. Not my fault that you race past the obvious in your rush to attack the left.

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Forgetting of course the fact that we should have never been there in the first place. Where is OBL again? How is al Qaeda doing these days? Why can't we send more troops in to finish the job that was the FIRST goal of the war on terror

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Originally Posted by Dracula

Where is OBL, do you know? I guess you agree with Obama, just blow the heck out of Pakistan and maybe we will get him. Where do you want to send those troops, across the border into a sovereign country, Hmmmm...

Iraq was sovereign, so was Afghanistan. NOW you wanna make an issue out of sovereignty? Talk about Obama changing positions... Listen up Dinkula, BUSH said he would go after ANY country harboring terrorists. BUSH said that nuclear proliferation wouldn't be tolerated. PAKISTAN IS GUILTY OF BOTH!!!!!!!!! I guess your convictions are only seated in attacking your fellow Americans and will let your ideology bend like a wet noodle to accommodate. Your idiotic rants lack consistency. Either you are for invading sovereign countries to rid the world of al Qaeda, or you're not. Make up your mind. Terminal flip floppers of the worst kind, to prop up ideology, regardless of what position you held two days ago. You react to the left like knee jerking Pavlovian bitches. Tell hell with integrity, what ever the left says, you will oppose, even if it means wholly contradicting your previous justifications. BRILLIANT!

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I am far more comfortable with someone (other than a freshman rep) who continually assesses the situation and adjusts accordingly, than someone who chooses to remain ignorant and "stay the course".

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I guess you haven't realized that Obama is a freshman Senator.You must be real confortable with Obama. Obama sure is adjusting accordingly trying to get those votes, he'll say and do anything such as "stay the course". For instance, He now says that he will keep troops in Iraq. What's the difference between him keeping troops and Bush keeping troops? Hmmmm...

No Dinkula, I have realized it, which is why I'm not voting for him, aside from the fact that I'm not a LIBERAL. Dinkula says, "But he's arguing against me and exposing my weak arguments that only make sense when in the company of ditto heads, he MUST be a lib." LMAO....

You morons try to boil down incredibly complex foreign policy and military planning to sound bites, CAN"T BE DONE! If you don't know the difference between Bush and ANYONE else, you need to read the more.

Everyone has an opinion, and is free to express it, but it's no guarantee that you're not an idiot that just happens to be able to spell....

Now... about the QUOTE system on this site. TO have your posts properly formatted when replying to someone, you need to have this at the beginning "[Qote=Back Atcha]" at the beginning (i left our the U so that it remains visible in the post) and one of these "[/Qote]" at the end. That will make a nice pretty box around the posters Quote. Keeps things tidy.

Sam · #74 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 03:01 PM

Back, this always amuses me how they immediately frame your political beliefs. Oh well..

Sheik Yerbuti · #75 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marksman08

Congress controls war funding and the democrats control congress. All they have to do to end the US involvement in Iraq is cut the funding.

Riiiight ... cut the funding to troops in battle. Sounds real American -- to a Republican.

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Originally Posted by Marksman08

But as is typical with all Libs they can't do anything based on conviction. It has to be calculated politically, and they know that it would be political suicide to cut the funding, as well as it would rob them of an election year issue. That alone should tell you what the reality is here at home as far as support for the war goes.

Democrats did all they could reasonably do -- which was to apply pressure to the only person who can end the war -- the commander-in-chief. They should have applied more pressure instead of backing down so easily, but with the fate of our troops hanging in the balance, I can't totally blame them

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Nancy Pelosi declared the Dems had a "mandate to end the war" after the 2006 elections.

You have a quote by her saying that?

Back Atcha · #76 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Back, this always amuses me how they immediately frame your political beliefs. Oh well..

Yes, ok... I'm an odd duck, a rarity in this political climate. Someone with conservative values who dares attack Bush. GO figure. HE LIED TO US! The man isn't fit to spit shine my shoes.

What I don't get, is why so many other conservatives aren't ready to go'a lynchin'. Party before country will be the epitaph on the tomb of this great country....

I believe you must FIRST get your own house in order, THEN point fingers at the other guy from the high ground. If I ever find a party worthy of joining again, I will be the first to stand up and call them out, keeps the opposition from framing the argument and locks in respect for integrity.

It's just that simple.

Obama's Empty Suit · #77 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

Campaigning for the Illinois Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama scolded Bush for invading Iraq and vowed he would "unequivocally" vote against an additional $87 billion to pay for it.

Yet he has voted to fund the war ever since.

"I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,' Mr. Obama said. "What would I have done? I don't know."
Barack Obama July 2004

Adults understand that Obama questioned his own position after the fall of Saddam.

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No he didn't.

"There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage."
Barack Obama July 2004

Adults understand that Obama wasn't critical of John Kerry's position on Iraq during the 04 campaign.

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Why should he be Kerry admitted that what he knew at the time of the vote changed after he got more facts. Ya got nothing.

Obama told Candy Crowley that was the only time he ever said anything like that -- and he did it to avoid putting down John Kerry and John Edwards, two senators who had voted to authorize the war and were about to become their party's presidential ticket.

"The only time when I said I'm not sure what I would do if I were in the Senate was right before the Democratic convention, when we had two nominees that obviously I did not want to be criticizing right before they got up and received the nomination"

CHANGE? Or politics as usual?

Adults understand Obama stood before congress in 07 and demanded the troops be out by March 08.

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Conditional to an administration that would pull tham out...which they didn't "If we start now, all of our combat brigades should be out of Iraq by the end of next year."

Yet Obama is unwilling to apply the same timetable to his own administration, and in fact refuses to promise to have them out by 2013. If he wants them out so bad just do it and let the chips fall where they may. That's what he proposed in 2007 isn't it?

Adults understand that Obama trumpeted on the campaign trail that he would end this war in 09.

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Based on conditions of 'reality'. Sorry no cookie for you.

Who's making shit up now?

"Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year."
BarackObama.com

No conditions for withdrawal stated, no cookie for you.

Adults understand that Obama changed his timetable to 16 months.

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Yet he didn't.

Most adults know that there are 12 months in a year not 16 and therefore Obama cannot end this war in 09. But then again, most adults also know there are 50 states...

Adults understand Obama claimed he would withdraw immediately with no stated conditions.

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It hasn't changed. other than dealing with the reality of logistics.

" In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."
BarackObama.com

Again, no conditions for withdrawal stated, and no cookie for you.

Adults understand that it still says immediate withdrawal on his website with no stated conditions.

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refer to previous.

Ditto..... Don't you think it's misleading to say you'll be out of Iraq in 16 months on your website when you're on record as saying you can't promise to have them out in 2013?
I do.

Adults understand that Obama would not promise that all troops would be out of Iraq by 2013.

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Because unlike children we adults understand that nothing is black & white.

Because he's a fraud, he makes no such statement on his website and in between flip flops continues to claim he will have them out in 16 months.

Adults understand that Obama claimed the surge wasn't working.

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If the stated goal was an Iraq independent & able to stand on it's own...he was right.

I'll let Petraeus answer

Adults understand that he was wrong.

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No just reactionary Children like yourself twist facts to think hes wrong..when he's not.

Murtha: Surge is working
Friday, November 30, 2007
By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Rep. John Murtha, one of the most outspoken congressional critics of the Iraq war, yesterday said he saw signs of significant military progress during a brief trip to the Middle East last week. But he warned that Iraqis need to play a larger role in providing their own security and the Bush administration must develop an exit strategy.

"I think the 'surge' is working," Mr. Murtha, a Democrat, said in a video conference from his Johnstown office, describing the president's decision to commit nearly 30,000 additional troops at the beginning of the year.

Even Murtha gets it...

Back Atcha · #78 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Touché

No, sorry it is not me, but I did see two men on the beach last evening that looked like that...they were also wearing old Larry Craig campaign buttons and muttering about being kicked out of a restaurant for toe tapping.

ROFLMAO... THAT... was fantastic!

Obama's Empty Suit · #79 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Changing your mind about an issue when presented with new information isn't weakness... it is the foundation of REASON!

Not updating your website or your campaign rhetoric once you've changed your mind about an issue that was the foundation of your entire campaign, is FRAUD.

jacob · #80 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Touché

No, sorry it is not me, but I did see two men on the beach last evening that looked like that...they were also wearing old Larry Craig campaign buttons and muttering about being kicked out of a restaurant for toe tapping.

What has brought you to this conclusion?

More than three replies from you. I think I'm in love.