Does the left feeled abused

Sam · #21 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

Sorry but Obama has not changed his position. He has always said that he would draw down troops within 16 months based on the logistics of the people on the ground. He has always said there would still be troops for over the horizon capabilities.
He has always said he would get the nation states in the M.E. involved as well as Europe & the U.N. All of these are apart of a future that is not black & white.

Adults understand this....

I love it when people are duped by the media & the McCain campaign to distort what Obama has always stated into something else.

See this is how you false construct reactionaries work.

If Obama said I will take troops out regardless of the conditions on the ground-he's running from the fight.
If Obama says I'm going to keep troops there based on the conditions on the ground he's lying & tricking you.

No the only ones getting tricked are the people whom choose to let others in the media interpret what Obama says for them & then post what they 'think' is going on. Based on others interpretations.

The only thing it's consistently displayed is reactionary idiots.

As Obama has repeatedly stated & I'm paraphrasing, he will get us out as intelligently as we stupidly got in.

Crow this media hype from the McCain camp is not really about Obama, but their own eternal Iraq war plan. It is clear Obama's visit to Iraq to take stock of conditions on the ground and his plan to slowly extricate ourselves from Iraq has threatened them . The GOP will take whatever Obama says on Iraq and frame it as a flip flop or inexperience because the majority of Americans (rightfully so) are against the Bush/McCain policy of eternal war.

This is almost as petty as the flag pin drama or the moment of connectedness between he and his wife of a modern high five being portrayed as a gang sign. the Rove/GOP machine must be really worried. they look more desperate with each political ploy and attack.

In answer to the original question...this poster does not feel abused...she is amused watching the desperation of the Rove/GOP machine.

wow · #22 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

Obama,
Nothings changed.

This is all one statement released by Obama.

Obama Offers Plan to Stop Escalation of Iraq War, Begin Phased Redeployment of Troops | U.S. Senator Barack Obama
The first version:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today introduced binding and comprehensive legislation that not only reverses the President's dangerous and ill-conceived escalation of the Iraq war, but also sets a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war and bring our troops home.

The second version:
"Our troops have performed brilliantly in Iraq, but no amount of American soldiers can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's civil war," Obama said. "That's why I have introduced a plan to not only stop the escalation of this war, but begin a phased redeployment that can pressure the Iraqis to finally reach a political settlement and reduce the violence."
Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth and his campaign is the source. lol

crowonapost · #23 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wow

This is all one statement released by Obama.

Obama Offers Plan to Stop Escalation of Iraq War, Begin Phased Redeployment of Troops | U.S. Senator Barack Obama
The first version:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today introduced binding and comprehensive legislation that not only reverses the President's dangerous and ill-conceived escalation of the Iraq war, but also sets a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war and bring our troops home.

The second version:
"Our troops have performed brilliantly in Iraq, but no amount of American soldiers can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's civil war," Obama said. "That's why I have introduced a plan to not only stop the escalation of this war, but begin a phased redeployment that can pressure the Iraqis to finally reach a political settlement and reduce the violence."
Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth and his campaign is the source. lol

Coming form the body of your posts I have no doubt you cannot comprehend this so your response is not a surprise.

Nothing you've presented is different than what I stated.

I know you can't figure that out so I won't waste my time explaining it to you.

jebe · #24 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:17 AM

i think Wow. that you are arguing against the last person on earth who still beleives in barak obama, super star. i like nice crisp dollar bills, not what barak has promissed, which is change.

crowonapost · #25 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jebe

i think Wow. that you are arguing against the last person on earth who still beleives in barak obama, super star. i like nice crisp dollar bills, not what barak has promissed, which is change.

No you are attempting to distort against a person who understands complexity, facts & truth.

I understand after years of double speak stupidity that it's become what one thinks is standard.

It takes time to detox from Dubyaism...

jebe · #26 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

No you are attempting to distort against a person who understands complexity, facts & truth.

I understand after years of double speak stupidity that it's become what one thinks is standard.

It takes time to detox from Dubyaism...

um, show me just once where i said i was 100% in favour of bush jr. you cant. he might be the second or third best, but only first place if you look at the cards he was delt with. face it, you are the last democrat who has an ounce of brain still. jump ship while you still have that much.

sachem · #27 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jebe

um, show me just once where i said i was 100% in favour of bush jr. you cant. he might be the second or third best, but only first place if you look at the cards he was delt with. face it, you are the last democrat who has an ounce of brain still. jump ship while you still have that much.

Come on Crow. When he puts it so nicely, how can you refuse?

Sam · #28 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Crow this media hype from the McCain camp is not really about Obama, but their own eternal Iraq war plan. It is clear Obama's visit to Iraq to take stock of conditions on the ground and his plan to slowly extricate ourselves from Iraq has threatened them . The GOP will take whatever Obama says on Iraq and frame it as a flip flop or inexperience because the majority of Americans (rightfully so) are against the Bush/McCain policy of eternal war.

This is almost as petty as the flag pin drama or the moment of connectedness between he and his wife of a modern high five being portrayed as a gang sign. the Rove/GOP machine must be really worried. they look more desperate with each political ploy and attack.

In answer to the original question...this poster does not feel abused...she is amused watching the desperation of the Rove/GOP machine.

Wow, your two examples....essentially said the same thing. "In bold" applies to your post. Whomever has the dirty job of extricating us and undoing 8 years of damage will have to carefully consider each step and be agile with their decision making. We broke down the door for terrorists and instability the simple stupid way. We have moved from a slow economic bleed in Iraq to a hemorrhage and wow...it is not making you safer in Kansas.

It will take a highly complex, thoughtful, agile and intelligent approach to reverse some of the damage and that approach needs to be made by someone with integrity and critical thinking ability.

Your support of a single minded "stay the course with eternal war" will view any other approach as a threat and the GOP will feed you propaganda like flip flopping to fuel your simple mindedness.

crowonapost · #29 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jebe

um, show me just once where i said i was 100% in favour of bush jr. you cant. he might be the second or third best, but only first place if you look at the cards he was delt with. face it, you are the last democrat who has an ounce of brain still. jump ship while you still have that much.

To be clear I did not say you specifically Jebe, I said,

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I understand after years of double speak stupidity that it's become what one thinks is standard.

It takes time to detox from Dubyaism...

This is a general statement & I often times see it play out. There has been a serious dumbing down of politics...in all reality since Reagan but it's really come to an apex under Bush.

As far as jumping ship....Sorry I ain't jumping on a ship that is currently sinking & on fire.

jebe · #30 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

To be clear I did not say you specifically Jebe, I said,

This is a general statement & I often times see it play out. There has been a serious dumbing down of politics...in all reality since Reagan but it's really come to an apex under Bush.

As far as jumping ship....Sorry I ain't jumping on a ship that is currently sinking & on fire.

but you must. the one youre on has a snapped keel, and is capsized.