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06-26-2008, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by George O Well
This isn't over some goofy trumped up little issue like a blowjob. Its about the deliberate subversion of the Constitution and democracy. At many, many levels.
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George - you're dumb as a bag of hammers.
But please - PLEASE get Obama to introduce articles of impeachment.
(Yeah, I know it has to be done in the house, but George doesn't - and Barry probably doesn't either.)
BTW, George - what SPECIFIC violation of the constitution do you claim?
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06-26-2008, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dlrrtx
We haven't been attacked again, in 7 years. Al Qaeda has been severely damaged throughout the world. So whatever they have been doing, must be working. Wire tapping, surveilence, Guantanamo, I could care less how they do it.
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Al-qaeda is a zionist invention...
to commit crimes against islamics.
More Americans died eating peanuts
than being killed by Al-Qaeda..
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06-26-2008, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dlrrtx
We haven't been attacked again, in 7 years. Al Qaeda has been severely damaged throughout the world. So whatever they have been doing, must be working. Wire tapping, surveilence, Guantanamo, I could care less how they do it.
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Let me repeat. Name, EXACTLY, what domestic policies have been put in place to protect the US from another attack. What has this administration done, EXACTLY, that has kept the US safe.
There were eight years between attacks on US soil. Clinton must have been doing something right then also?
And you are fooling yourself on soooo many levels. Al Qaeda is stronger today than they ever were BEFORE 9/11, giving away our constitutional rights only makes for one more threat (our government), and just because we haven't been attacked again thus far, shit, that has only created a false sense of security that some people buy into.
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06-26-2008, 05:40 PM
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Al-qaeda is a zionist invention...
to commit crimes against islamics.
More Americans died eating peanuts
than being killed by Al-Qaeda
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06-26-2008, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover1
And you are fooling yourself on soooo many levels. Al Qaeda is stronger today than they ever were BEFORE 9/11,
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That is an idiotic statement at complete odds with the facts. Al Qaeda is in shambles. Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the US forces have devistated Al Qaeda.
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giving away our constitutional rights only makes for one more threat (our government),
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Which right or rights - SPECIFICALLY have YOU lost? If you speak of FISA, I'll ask why you are calling terrorists in Afghanistan in the first place.
I think you just blow smoke because your a partisan.
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06-26-2008, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncensored2008
Which right or rights - SPECIFICALLY have YOU lost? If you speak of FISA, I'll ask why you are calling terrorists in Afghanistan in the first place.
I think you just blow smoke because your a partisan.
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Anyone who waits until their rights are lost, as a moron and does not desrve the rights protected by the constitution. The bar is much lower, it's the infringement of rights that must be acted on. In addition, the upsetting of the balance of power by executive power grabs.
It is We the People that protect the constitution, not congress, not the president. If we were to wait until rights are lost, we lost the ability to protect the document that protects us. Let's just call it a preemptive move to ensure the future of this republic.
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06-26-2008, 05:58 PM
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Open Letter to Congress
To be copied and distributed freely and returned to appropriate members of Congress.
This open letter to Congress is intended to serve three functions.
First, to remind our representatives that despite the popular title, they are not our “political leaders”, but elected public servants, representatives of the People, elected and endowed with the trust of the American People to uphold their oath of office, to protect the Constitution of the United States of America, the rights of every citizen, execute the will of the People and uphold the rule of Law.
Second, this letter serves as a call for Champions of the People, of the sort that make heroes in the eyes of history. Patriots who put the welfare of Our republic and it’s People above all else, who dispense with partisanship, inside politics and personal position to conduct themselves with no more ambition than to see this great nation endure as the Framers of the Constitution intended and abide by the will of the People. To do otherwise, to put political agenda or concern for personal position ahead of the concerns of those you represent, is nothing less than an admission of how truly corrupted the Founders vision of this republic has become, your contempt for the intelligence and will of the People and a confirmation that the American people no longer have the representation which served as a founding principle of this Nation.
Third, this letter serves as a petition to call for the representatives of the American People to act on matters concerning the Impeachment of George H. W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney, President and Vice President respectively, of the United States of America. To leave either man in power would be to risk the continuation of the abuses of power that currently exist.
To the issue of Nancy Pelosi dismissing the People’s right to ask for Impeachment prior to having been presented publicly with articles of Impeachment, evidence of high crimes and/or misdemeanors, and ignoring an overwhelming opinion of the American People, particularly those of her own party, We the People find Nancy Pelosi in gross dereliction of her duties as a sworn representative of the American People and in violation of the public trust.
The articles of Impeachment provided for in the Constitution were not established to be arbitrarily used or dismissed by the representatives of this country, but as a tool to be wielded by the People to ensure that the integrity of this great republic remain intact and not suffer the abuses of executive power despite Our representatives unwillingness to act.
The purposes for which We the People ask for Impeachment hearings rise far above the self serving excuses we have heard to date as a reason against such an action. They are;
• To set a clear precedent that executive abuses will not be tolerated by the American People.
• To send a message to all future executive and representative office holders that they are directly answerable to the American People through due process of Our laws
• To send a message that no person is above the rule of law regardless of how high a position that person is entrusted with.
• To remind Our public servants that the political power of the American People does not begin and end with the vote, that the American People are the “Deciders”
• To put our elected public servants on notice that America is slowly waking up to the fact that we have lost the very representation our forbearers shed their blood to establish.
• To ensure the ability to prosecute Bush and Cheney following their leave of office.
• That no elected public servant is guaranteed their position in government and shall not take liberties with the People’s will to protect their positions in spite of that will.
This is not a partisan issue, but an issue of Public trust, Rule of Law and is the will of the People.
In order to protect the future of this democratic republic, We, the undersigned, demand that impeachment proceedings begin immediately against George H.W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney.
We believe the issues addressed by, but not limited to, the 35 articles of impeachment take precedent over all other matters concerning elections or political “fallout.”
Dismissing impeachment at this level sets a dangerous precedent and raises that bar too high for it to be the effective tool of last resort wielded by the People to make accountable those charged with the Public trust. It undermines the political power inherent in the People and subverts their will. It puts in jeopardy the future of that political power as no other issue has in modern times. We demand that Our elected representatives fulfill their roles and REPRESENT THE WILL OF PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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This is a draft, and I'm open to proofing and suggestions... constructive suggestions. But I will do my level best to get this to the viral level on the internet.
Last edited by Back Atcha; 06-26-2008 at 06:02 PM.
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06-26-2008, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Back Atcha
Anyone who waits until their rights are lost,
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So I'm right, you're just blowing smoke and shoveling bullshit.
You can't name a single right you've lost - but you really hate Bush.
Same old stupidity from the left.
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06-26-2008, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncensored2008
That is an idiotic statement at complete odds with the facts. Al Qaeda is in shambles. Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the US forces have devistated Al Qaeda.
We must be reading different reports. According to the NIE, they are indeed stronger in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Africa..........
Which right or rights - SPECIFICALLY have YOU lost? If you speak of FISA, I'll ask why you are calling terrorists in Afghanistan in the first place.
I am simply not willing to give my government the freedom to take my rights from me. Are you? So it is "suspected" terrorists today, what will it be tomarrow?
I think you just blow smoke because your a partisan.
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Now, what policies, EXACTLY, have made Americans safer?
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06-26-2008, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncensored2008
So I'm right, you're just blowing smoke and shoveling bullshit.
You can't name a single right you've lost - but you really hate Bush.
Same old stupidity from the left.
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I do not wait unitl I loose ANY right... infringement is enough for me, and certainly rises above impeaching for a blowjob.
Go back to the gym and leave the complicated things to people who exercise their minds.
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