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Old 07-04-2008, 02:29 AM
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Me too....

I'll bet you didn't find any of that in his book....

Unfortunately, Barack Obama is a fraud
He has it ALL in the book.

Yeah, you did NOT get this out of his book in this context to support your f*cked up slant on things. Nice try jerkoff.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:31 AM
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Debating Hillary and debating McCain is not the same thing.

You are stuck on the number ten, how about this number, ONE. The number of town hall meetings (which he loves because he can be with the people who sent him to Washington) that Obama wants.

While he wouldn't get anything out of it, and in fact, would probably lose something by participating in these much more honest and sincere debates, it doesn't change the fact that at one time he said he loved them.

Also, shouldn't what the people get out of the debate be a consideration? At one time he seemed to think that was important. That is just one reason why all of this "I will bring change" is just a bunch of bullshit that many of his supporters have bought . . . . or at least pretending to believe.

Maybe you should have read carefully when you read his book and said that he loved the town hall meetings.
They have not ruled out ONE, or TWO, or THREE. You are jumping to conclusions and the two campaigns are probably negotiating this as we speak. You are are probably making something of nothing TTYTT.

Reread what has gone down...10 is what the McCain people proposed so far (right out of the box), this is not coming from the other side. Axelrod will come up with something that helps his candidate and you might get one, two, or three of these...who knows. This is not even a settled issue yet.

I, personally, have no doubts of what Obama can or cannot do and I am voting for at least a chance of some change rather than none at all (McCain will be BUSH III, he has said nothing to indicate otherwise). As person who was going to vote for eitehr Hillary or Obama that is the way I see it...I cannot speak for other supporters.

Maybe you should read the whole book DOM (as I have). You have again taken a quote out of context just as I called you on a Bill Clinton quote a while back. Get your quotes put into perspective. His book is quite good and he is critical of the politics of both sides and the realities of trying to deal with the 'peoples business.' He is actually pragmatic in much of what he says.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:36 AM
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Wrong again dumbass....

McCain challenges Obama to Town Hall debates

Obama wants to avoid an unscripted Q&A in favor of a filibuster style ramble that he has been rehearsing on the campaign trail for a year.

Lincoln - Douglas Debates
I am glad you are not a complete illiterate and can read Fox News...too bad you missed a bunch of other stuff, this is an old story from June 4th. Try and use what little brain matter you have left and do some further reading.

I may disagree with DOM but at least over the last few years he has shown intelligence and can debate, and he is clearly not a racist as you have shown to be...you, on the other hand are total f*ck up and the contrast of your posts to his is self evident.
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Old 07-04-2008, 03:00 AM
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Read his book.

This does not talk about ten in a row with the competitor tagging along, put this into context. I have read this book, maybe you have not. In this following passage he talks about going up and down the state BY HIMSELF and in contrast to TV time. The quote you have is only one part of it, he has a very good entire chapter on the reality of campaigning and politics. He talks about a number of things to include his likes and dislikes as compared to the realities.

I will type this out for you:



He is not dumb and knows what is effective and when to use it.
Type it out all you want, the fact is that he wants no part of facing McCain in front of average citizens without canned speeches/answers.

A competitor tagging along? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Isn't that what a debate is? Isn't that what dialogue is?

So, talking to those "people who send him to Washington" and listening to what they have to say isn't quite as important when you are with your opponent. Evidently the time to "use it" is when you don't actually have to debate anyone.
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Old 07-04-2008, 03:13 AM
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They have not ruled out ONE, or TWO, or THREE. You are jumping to conclusions and the two campaigns are probably negotiating this as we speak. You are are probably making something of nothing TTYTT.

Reread what has gone down...10 is what the McCain people proposed so far (right out of the box), this is not coming from the other side. Axelrod will come up with something that helps his candidate and you might get one, two, or three of these...who knows. This is not even a settled issue yet.

I, personally, have no doubts of what Obama can or cannot do and I am voting for at least a chance of some change rather than none at all (McCain will be BUSH III, he has said nothing to indicate otherwise). As person who was going to vote for eitehr Hillary or Obama that is the way I see it...I cannot speak for other supporters.

Maybe you should read the whole book DOM (as I have). You have again taken a quote out of context just as I called you on a Bill Clinton quote a while back. Get your quotes put into perspective. His book is quite good and he is critical of the politics of both sides and the realities of trying to deal with the 'peoples business.' He is actually pragmatic in much of what he says.
His campaign said they agreed to have ONE. You can take it up with his campaign if you want, but I didn't make that number up.

You can read the book all you want and then spin the answers to suit your needs (and his), but the fact remains that he once thought town hall meetings were a cleansing experience and now, well, not so much.

Obamamania has taken over with some in that nothing the man does or says is wrong and any attack on him is viewed as some racial attack (I seem to remember your attempts to paint investigating Obama's passport as racially motivated).

What Clinton quote are you talking about? Was it about praising that progressive Khatami who ordered stormtroopers to break up student rioters?
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I am glad you are not a complete illiterate and can read Fox News...
Apparently you ARE illiterate as the article came from CNN, and it's Hussein that wants the Lincoln-Douglas format NOT McCain. I'm not surprised because Osama would get torn a new ass without the teleprompter.
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Cat, I think that Dom does make a couple of good points and if he really wants to get his message out to the average Joe then this could be a great way to do this. But I also believe that an uniformed citizenery is better for him.
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Tactical maneuvering is part of how it works.

Cat is correct, it would be silly for Obama to give McCain any freebies, or give him Carte Blanche on deciding debate formats. After all, he does want to WIN the election...

Anyone who has worked a political campaign knows you have to leverage your advantages. All candidates do that or they don't win. "truth to power" is a lovely thought...but not realistic in Modern American politics.

This kind of argument plays well to the uninformed public, but is really disingenous.
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Old 07-04-2008, 08:22 AM
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Cat, I think that Dom does make a couple of good points and if he really wants to get his message out to the average Joe then this could be a great way to do this. But I also believe that an uniformed citizenery is better for him.
Actually, the entire question is nonsense. Just another r one of Dum1’s (Dumb one’s) half baked illiterate blithering babble fests

Obama has more then enough resources to get his message out, and all McCain was looking for, is some free air time, because the GOP base in impoverished, and the 3% GOP are staying away from funding his campaign in droves

If McCain can’t raise money, he should take a loan from his larcenous drug addict wife. She has plenty of cash on hand

Not to mention the fact, that an unmediated event would be a joke.
What is the point ?
If you ant to hear some mouth breathing imbecile babble about Reverend Wright or some other meaningless dead non issue, listen to Faux news or your favorite idiot talk radio show, and you will get all of that stupidity you need. and more
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:11 PM
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Type it out all you want, the fact is that he wants no part of facing McCain in front of average citizens without canned speeches/answers.

A competitor tagging along? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Isn't that what a debate is? Isn't that what dialogue is?

So, talking to those "people who send him to Washington" and listening to what they have to say isn't quite as important when you are with your opponent. Evidently the time to "use it" is when you don't actually have to debate anyone.
He faces average citizens and at 15 to 20 thousand at a time, really have said nothing here DOM. He is savy enough to not allow McCain people to pick or choose the time and place. Again, so you spot the other baseball team three runs and then play them on thier field. No, he is going to negotiate and it is still to be seen how this is going to pan out with debates and meetings. You are very presumptive on what you are saying. Not to worry, there is plenty of time between now and November.

Secondly, no, you have not read and this is very evident. I even wrote it and you did not pay attention...the town hell meetings he has primarily participated in (I wrote it for you) are by himself and him being with people up close is...yes...quite lively, he likes that (who wouldn't as a politician). Now, that is a bit different than a town hall meeting with the political oponent standing right there; it becomes a debate format (by default). If you do not take time to look over the format and see the plus or minus of those types of meetings and how it is going to be handled then you are one stupid SOB of a politician and public servant (and competitor).

So he does 30+ town hall meetings in Ill...how many media people covered those? Sounds like very few if any, he got to be with people one on one and be very candid without fear of spin (McCain watches this too). How much media will cover meetings between McCain/Obama...uh, they will be seen nationally and internationally. A VAST DIFFERENCE. McCain is behind and has NOTHING to lose, he is going to take every shot he can to get at Obama...Obama is not (again) stupid and makes sure he is not walking into a buzz saw, he is doing everything possible to not make the same mistakes that Kerry did and other losing Democrats.

This is pretty simple stuff guys. (DOM/ROB)
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