Why doesn't he want town hall meetings?

Dom1 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

McCain is clearly looking to do nothing more then have Obama subsidize his inability to raise money.
His empty challenge , just like the Dumb one tranny’s question, is stupid, transparent and obvious

There will be more then enough of Obama delivering his message for anyone who cares to hear it, and McCain will have his chance in televised debates

McCain has the same opportunity to air anything he might say in a town hall meeting, all he needs to do is find a base that is gainfully employed enough to underwrite his ability to be heard.

The GOP base has been reduced to the lowest common denominator in American sociiety, and the 3% GOP elite is staying away in droves

That is not Osama’s fault
McCain and his supporters needs to pay their own way, and stop asking for charity from his opponent and his

That is not Osama’s fault
McCain and his supporters needs to pay their own way, and stop asking for charity from his opponent and his

Freudian slip????

Too funny.

cat's meow · #12 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:21 AM

Actually it is true.

The format proposed by McCain is this:

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McCain has previously suggested the idea of Lincoln-Douglas-style travel together. On Wednesday, he sent a letter to Obama in which he proposed 10 town halls, one a week beginning next week and lasting until the Democratic convention.

He suggested the town halls could last 60-90 minutes in length, have 200 to 400 audience members selected by an independent polling agency, would limited moderation, allow blind questions from the audience and equal time for response.

He also proposed that he and Obama fly together to the first event, which could be held in New York City’s Federal Hall, where George Washington took his first oath of office.

Any good competitor does not agree to a format that gives the other side an advantage. This is common sense, you would not spot a team three runs in a baseball game.

This proposal ties Obama up into a situation that subdues the crowd and McCain knows it (200-400 people...you have got to be kidding). And...10 is a big number of these, again, Obama would be a dumb ass to get tied down to this commitment of this many debates. He doesn't need this sort of number...three or four debates and he doesn't need much more. For McCain, it is the last big effort he has to try and turn the tide.

And, those debates were PROPOSED in the 60s with Goldwater and they never came about...there was no real commitment between him and Kennedy.

LCOF · #13 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

Why in the hell would anyone give 10 hours of free air time to an opponent that struggles to raise money, and who is in a position to outspend that opponent 4 to 1 ?????

(Duhhhhh ??????)

Yet another idiot question and desperate plea for attention from everyone's favorite drooling fat ass transexual laughing stock Dum1 (Dumb one)

Where's your confidence in the Magic Negro? I thought he had all the answers. I thought he was about change. Biden says "he's articulate and clean". You think as brilliant as the claim is, he'd go to any town hall meeting, showcase himself, as the Messiah you libs say he is. Blow away the old geezer McLame.

Then he wouldn't have to campaign take his funds and feed the poor. Turn the water into wine, take a long walk on Lake Michigan, and we wait for the miracles from 1600 Penn. AVe.

Dom1 · #14 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Actually it is true.

The format propsoed by Mcain is this:

Any good competitor does not agree to a format that gives the other side an advantage. This is common sense, you would not spot a team three runs in a baseball game.

This proposal ties Obama up into a situation that subdues the crowd and McCain knows it (200-400 people...you have got to be kidding). And...10 is a big number of these, again, Obama would be a dumb ass to get tied down to this commitment of this many debates. He doesn't need this sort of number...three or four debates and he doesn't need much more. For McCain, it is the last big effort he has to try and turn the tide.

And, those debates were PROPOSED in the 60s with Goldwater and they never came about...there was no real commitment between him and Kennedy.

Obama stated that he loved the town hall meetings . . . . why doesn't he love them now?

But I see where you are going, although in one instance Obama and his supporters talk about the need for dialogue and debate in others they think that just a few instances of dialogue and debate are good.

If Obama is so articulate then why would McCain have the advantage? Is it because they don't know the questions ahead of time (unless you aer Hillary at one of these things), or because the questions actually come from the American people and are not canned responses?

Way too fucking funny. Mr. Articulate and Mr. Dialogue doesn't want to present his views to the voters in a format that calls for one to give much more sincere answers than a candidate would give in what is basically an hour and a half canned speech.

Dom1 · #15 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

One of my favorite tasks of being a senator is hosting town hall meetings. I held thirty-nine of them my first year in the Senate, all across Illinois, in tiny rural towns like Anna and prosperous suburbs like Naperville, in back churches in the South Side and a college in Rock Island... For the next hour or so, I answer to the people who sent me to Washington... My time with them is like a dip in a cool stream. I feel cleansed afterward, glad for the work I have chosen

What happened to no longer make it one of his favorite things?

Or was it just talk?

One of my favorite tasks of being a senator is hosting town hall meetings. I held thirty-nine of them my first year in the Senate, all across Illinois, in tiny rural towns like Anna and prosperous suburbs like Naperville, in back churches in the South Side and a college in Rock Island... For the next hour or so, I answer to the people who sent me to Washington... My time with them is like a dip in a cool stream. I feel cleansed afterward, glad for the work I have chosen

Maybe he doesn't want to answer to the "people who send him to Washington" any more.

cat's meow · #16 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Obama stated that he loved the town hall meetings . . . . why doesn't he love them now?

But I see where you are going, although in one instance Obama and his supporters talk about the need for dialogue and debate in others they think that just a few instances of dialogue and debate are good.

If Obama is so articulate then why would McCain have the advantage? Is it because they don't know the questions ahead of time (unless you aer Hillary at one of these things), or because the questions actually come from the American people and are not canned responses?

Way too fucking funny. Mr. Articulate and Mr. Dialogue doesn't want to present his views to the voters in a format that calls for one to give much more sincere answers than a candidate would give in what is basically an hour and a half canned speech.

Again, read carefully Dom. I know you are not an Obama fan but you are going the wrong way here. 10 town hall meetings, this ties up a ton of time that would be far more useful to McCain and not Obama, why would he choose to give McCain a bunch of freebies? Obama could participate in half as many or less and get just as much out of it. He wants to do a # of these that work just as well for him as they do McCain, he will not do ten and then fly around the country with the guy. Obama has already been in debates with Hillary several times and McCain has not been in a one on one like this (the Rep primary was not the same)...Obama has the upper hand to deal with this and is not going to give up the high ground...he is a smart guy and a competitor. I must admit, after reading his book and seeing what he has written about running campaigns, he is no dummie, I can see why he beat Hillery and the Clinton machine. He won't make a whole lot of misteps and he will not concede ground in a debate format that he gets nothing out of.

Obama's Empty Suit · #17 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Actually it is true.

The format proposed by McCain is this:

Wrong again dumbass....

McCain challenges Obama to Town Hall debates

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BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain challenged Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday to join him for a series of 10 town-hall debates.

Calling for "no process questions from reporters" and "no spin rooms," the presumptive Republican presidential nominee proposed one debate a week from now until the Democratic party convention in August.

McCain cited a 1963 agreement between President Kennedy and Sen. Barry Goldwater to hold such debates as part of the 1964 election campaign. Kennedy was assassinated before the campaign began.

"What a welcome change it would be were presidential candidates in our time to treat each other and the people they seek to lead with respect and courtesy as they discussed the great issues of the day, without the empty sound bites and media-filtered exchanges that dominate our elections," McCain said in a letter to Obama released by McCain's campaign.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe welcomed the idea in principle but suggested some changes to the format.

"The idea of joint town halls is appealing and one that would allow a great conversation to take place about the need to change the direction of this country," he said in a statement released by the Obama campaign.

"We would recommend a format that is less structured and lengthier than the McCain campaign suggests, one that more closely resembles the historic debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas.

Obama wants to avoid an unscripted Q&A in favor of a filibuster style ramble that he has been rehearsing on the campaign trail for a year.

Lincoln - Douglas Debates

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Each debate had this format: one candidate spoke for an hour, then the other candidate spoke for an hour and a half, and then the first candidate was allowed a half hour "rejoinder." The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates.

Dom1 · #18 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Again, read carefully Dom. I know you are not an Obama fan but you are going the wrong way here. 10 town hall meetings, this ties up a ton of time that would be far more useful to McCain and not Obama, why would he choose to give McCain a bunch of freebies? Obama could participate in half as many or less and get just as much out of it. He wants to do a # of these that work just as well for him as they do McCain, he will not do ten and then fly around the country with the guy. Obama has already been in debates with Hillary several times and McCain has not been in a one on one like this (the Rep primary was not the same)...Obama has the upper hand to deal with this and is not going to give up the high ground...he is a smart guy and a competitor. I must admit, after reading his book and seeing what he has written about running campaigns, he is no dummie, I can see why he beat Hillery and the Clinton machine. He won't make a whole lot of misteps and he will not concede ground in a debate format that he gets nothing out of.

Debating Hillary and debating McCain is not the same thing.

You are stuck on the number ten, how about this number, ONE. The number of town hall meetings (which he loves because he can be with the people who sent him to Washington) that Obama wants.

While he wouldn't get anything out of it, and in fact, would probably lose something by participating in these much more honest and sincere debates, it doesn't change the fact that at one time he said he loved them.

Also, shouldn't what the people get out of the debate be a consideration? At one time he seemed to think that was important. That is just one reason why all of this "I will bring change" is just a bunch of bullshit that many of his supporters have bought . . . . or at least pretending to believe.

Maybe you should have read carefully when you read his book and said that he loved the town hall meetings.

cat's meow · #19 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

One of my favorite tasks of being a senator is hosting town hall meetings. I held thirty-nine of them my first year in the Senate, all across Illinois, in tiny rural towns like Anna and prosperous suburbs like Naperville, in back churches in the South Side and a college in Rock Island... For the next hour or so, I answer to the people who sent me to Washington... My time with them is like a dip in a cool stream. I feel cleansed afterward, glad for the work I have chosen

Maybe he doesn't want to answer to the "people who send him to Washington" any more.

Read his book.

This does not talk about ten in a row with the competitor tagging along, put this into context. I have read this book, maybe you have not. In this following passage he talks about going up and down the state BY HIMSELF and in contrast to TV time. The quote you have is only one part of it, he has a very good entire chapter on the reality of campaigning and politics. He talks about a number of things to include his likes and dislikes as compared to the realities.

I will type this out for you:

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Audacity of Hope, PP 121

"Simple math tells the tale. In the thirty-nine town hall meetings (alone) I held my during my first year in office, turnout at each meeting averaged four to five hundred people, which means that I was able to meet with maybe fifteen to twenty thousand people. Should I sustain this pace for the remainder of me term, I will have had direct, personal contact with maybe ninety-five to one hundred thousand of my constituents by the time election day rolls around.

In contrast, a three-minute story on the lowest-rated local news broadcast in the Chicago media market may reach two hundred thousand people. In other words, I---like every politician at the federal level---am almost entirely dependent on the media to reach my constituents (effectively)..."

He is not dumb and knows what is effective and when to use it.

Obama's Empty Suit · #20 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I must admit, after reading his book and seeing what he has written about running campaigns, he is no dummie, I can see why he beat Hillery and the Clinton machine.

Me too....

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But how could a man who preaches unanimity and inclusiveness help to disenfranchise millions of voters in his own party? I didn't fully understand that myself until CNN brought to light Obama's tactics during his first legislative campaign back in 1996.

As a rookie, Obama was to face off against two well-known Democratic opponents (both African American) in the primary, one of whom was incumbent Alice Palmer.

The first thing Obama did was to have his staff review the petitions of his opponents. At that time, candidates were required to gather 757 signatures in order to get their name on the ballot in Chicago. Both of Obama's opponents had collected well over a thousand signatures each, but Barack challenged the validity of the petitions. Soon thereafter, the Board of Elections disallowed hundreds of people who had only printed their name, rather than writing it. Palmer and the other contenders came up short (some by as few as 60 names), and they were denied an opportunity to rectify the problem, which they didn't even realize was a problem in the first place. Obama's name was the only one on the ballot, so he won the Democratic primary by default, then won the general election easily in a Dem-controlled district.

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David Jackson and Ray Long of The Chicago Tribune wrote, "A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career. The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it".

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Obama rode that undeserved glory into a run for the US Senate in 2003.

In that race, Democrat frontrunner Blair Hall had the nomination in the bag when, by some coincidence, a few weeks prior to the election the records of Hull's divorce were unsealed, revealing charges that his ex-wife made regarding physical abuse. Hull's numbers plummeted and Obama sneaked into the Democratic nomination.

Barack was slated to face GOP millionaire Jack Ryan in the general election. But Ryan was forced to drop out of the race when a judge suddenly decided to unseal his divorce records, which revealed charges from his ex that he had tried to make her perform sex acts in public.

The GOP couldn't come up with a viable replacement that late in the game (they recruited Alan Keyes) and Obama won the election in a landslide, appearing to be Mr. Clean.

I'll bet you didn't find any of that in his book....

Unfortunately, Barack Obama is a fraud