The question was once posed, "Why would a liberal go to war?"

I would go to war to stop a tyrant from spilling across his borders only after he had done so. Kuwait. Yup, I'd a done that. Germany, yup. Japan, yup.

I would go to war to stop an invasion. I would not attack those who hit us then run from them to another target like it was only a bad joke between good friends. Afghanistan, yup.

I would go to war to stop a genocide in Darfur. The problem is that the war I would not have taken part in prevents us from doing exactly that. We can not fight a just war because we are so bogged down with an unjust one.

Yes liberals will use the military, but when republicans are so anxious to use it against everyone who is different, we have to go to the polar opposite because as you have shown, republicans, if a democrat gives you trust and faith that you will lead a just a safe war, you run all over us. Inch and yard analogy.

Bark, I agree with only two caveats. 1. They didn't take a yard, they took a mile...... 2. I didn't agree with taking resources away from Afghanistan to attack Iraq, but once I knew it was inevitable, I still trusted this Admin. to do it right. Didn't take long for that trust to wane.

Never again should Americans allow a President to have the power this one was given, I don't care what party they belong to.

agreed.

there is nothing wrong with having a military for defense and for serious human issues like genocide.

I would consider genocide to be a crime unlike any other and one that all humans are responcible to prevent and stop.

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Yeah, ending genocide is a good cause. Clinton and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, told us we needed to bomb Bosnia because of all the ethnic cleansing going on. In Clinton's words to us and the world there were hundreds of thousands of victims of ethnic cleansing. Christopher later said the number was somewhere between half a million and a million. So we bombed, with civilian casulaties estimated as high as 100,000. Not sure how many folks just lost their homes.

Funny thing though. After years and years of looking for all those genocide victims, before finally giving up, the UN was only able to come up with something like 20,000 bodies. And they have no idea on what side most of them were on.


So yeah, preventing ethnic cleansing is a good cause...just make sure somebody isn't lying to you about it.

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http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/war...tml#post579888

The best thing about debating a liberal is watching them spin after you wack 'em!

I can't remember if Kosovo was involved with Bosnia or not (I was kinda young at the time), but I did know a woman from there and she was grafful for out interference.

I agree we should know what is going on first. but 20,000 people is nothing to sneeze at.
I think we should always be mindful of hurting civiliains in any war. I think even in afganistan if it possible we should try to avoid hitting anyone who isn't a terrorist and try to get innocent people out of the way whenever we can.

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Yeah me too. I believed the Admin as well. Now I do research before I say something like lets get them. Both the democrats and the republicans did what we asked. ALL of AMERICA was pissed. ALL of us wanted to get the fuckers. A true leader would have offered us all the info available. The Rs and the Ds did what was politically astute at the time, not what was smart.

This is one of those things that alot of people call WAGGING THE DOG. Duhh Creepy Uncle Bill was getting in trouble with his little hummer and he said, "Hey look over there!" And we did. Now what is your point? That a politician lied? Wow, TWO cookies for you! Good boy! Here is your gold star!

Bosnia and Kosovo are the result of the falling of the Soviet Union. Their desire to joim the globe and step from the shadows of the Soviet Bloc were bound to bring trouble. Economic support for democratically minded leaders as well as public Presidential endorsements from the US and our Aliies, andf the UN would have let these people win in democratic election, but Clinton used them as an excuse. It shut the Liberals up by giving them the ability to say we were finally helping Muslims instead of always helping other Christians. It shut Conservtives up for a while by proving that liberals will fight, and it shut down Ken Starr for a while. But in the end it was no more that a cartoon diversionary tactic. "Looky over there" But what is funny is that that is the only war since WWII that we set out goals and accomplished them.