Amnesty for illegals is coming

LCOF · #11 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 10:11 AM

According to the reports on this, we are told Sen. Craig has taken a rather "WIDE STANCE" on this issue.

Of course the libs will love him now.

noneof yourbusiness · #12 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 10:27 AM

CNN.com - Bush plan lets illegal workers keep jobs - Jan. 6, 2004

freedomlover1 · #13 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 12:10 PM

I find it rather amusing that conservatives make such a big deal of amnesty, when they could have put pressure on the elected officials to do something about the problem. After all, Republicans ruled this country for 6 long years, with very little to no oversight.

Uncensored2008 · #14 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover1

After all, Republicans ruled this country for 6 long years, with very little to no oversight.

Foolish nonsense.

Republicans have never ruled the country, nor have the democrats.

We are still marginally a constitutionally governed, representative republic with a 535 voice legilature which represents hundreds of opposing views and agendas.

We do have a dictatorial judiciary which can override the elected legislature and codified law on a whim. But the judiciary at least maintains the appearance that the executive and legislative branches have a role in the governence of the nation.

freedomlover1 · #15 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncensored2008

Foolish nonsense.

Republicans have never ruled the country, nor have the democrats.

We are still marginally a constitutionally governed, representative republic with a 535 voice legilature which represents hundreds of opposing views and agendas.

We do have a dictatorial judiciary which can override the elected legislature and codified law on a whim. But the judiciary at least maintains the appearance that the executive and legislative branches have a role in the governence of the nation.

The republicans controlled Congress/Senate/Whitehouse for six years, with very little opposition. They could have strengthened our borders, stopped the influx of illegals, curtailed some of the visas, strengthened immagration laws, and saw to enforcing the laws we have, BUT they chose not to.

LCOF · #16 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover1

The republicans controlled Congress/Senate/Whitehouse for six years, with very little opposition. They could have strengthened our borders, stopped the influx of illegals, curtailed some of the visas, strengthened immagration laws, and saw to enforcing the laws we have, BUT they chose not to.

Let's make a distinction Both Parties have never been serious about sealing our borders. So while you are correct the GOP assumed your lib ideology on this matter. It was, and is the conservatives who have been fighting this.

So why bash the GOP when you want the borders wide open, and allow the potential of terrorists to enter unfettered. After all this is what libs support, this is being allowed. So be thankful, the empty suits from the GOP making your advancements towards destroying this nation along with your guys.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the face, you libs beat all. Never happy even when your sick lib ideology is given aid from your perceived enemies.

freedomlover1 · #17 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LCOF

Let's make a distinction Both Parties have never been serious about sealing our borders. So while you are correct the GOP assumed your lib ideology on this matter. It was, and is the conservatives who have been fighting this.

So why bash the GOP when you want the borders wide open, and allow the potential of terrorists to enter unfettered. After all this is what libs support, this is being allowed. So be thankful, the empty suits from the GOP making your advancements towards destroying this nation along with your guys.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the face, you libs beat all. Never happy even when your sick lib ideology is given aid from your perceived enemies.

First, Let's get something straight. Speaking as a liberal democrat, I am not for amnesty, open borders, and I believe wholeheartedly in stripping any company that hires illegals of their assets, punishing to the fullest extent of the law all illegals. I am against children of illegals automatically becoming citizens. I also believe that the US needs to send Mexico a bill for all expenses incurred concerning the illegals.

What I find amusing is that many pubs still feel that this is mostly the dems fault. The GOP has adopted (perhaps thru default) the same ideology you find disgusting, and instead of holding your party accountable, you make excuses and lay blame elsewhere. Bravo.

LCOF · #18 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:08 PM

Clinton open the door, but Bush took the door off its hinges. And if there is any true justification to why I would oppose the War in Iraq, is for this reason.

A nation who was hit as were were on 9/11, who then declares war on terror, can not be serious about the war, if they do nothing to secure their borders. And for the life of me, I can't believe I am the only one to make this point.

Had Bush, and the Congress on 9/12/01 began the border security, then I could have had a better acceptance towards waging a war.

Uncensored2008 · #19 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover1

The republicans controlled Congress/Senate/Whitehouse for six years, with very little opposition. They could have strengthened our borders, stopped the influx of illegals, curtailed some of the visas, strengthened immagration laws, and saw to enforcing the laws we have, BUT they chose not to.

The Republicans are cowards, first and foremost. They fear that they will be tarred and feathered the way Tom Tancredo was. (The fact that it was Republicans tarring Tom doesn't seem to sink in to them) The other side is that many Republicans were thwarting the law to keep the influx of cheap labor flowing to their business supporter.

Republicans are marginally better than democrats, but Republicans are still crooks and liars for sale to the highest bidder.

McCain is one of the worst, joining with Teddy (it's unfair to get a brain tumor when I don't have a brain) Kennedy to sponsor last year's amnesty plan.

Flanders · #20 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:50 PM

Once again, conservatives are being lumped together with Republicans. Conservatives lean towards the GOP because that is their best hope of seeing conservatism survive. McCain has completely abandoned conservatives; ergo, his positions on amnesty for illegals, global warming, and more involvement with the International community at the expense of America’s independence. Conventional wisdom says that McCain believes he can win without the conservative vote. He is counting on getting the “Anybody but Hillary” vote. It may turn out to be the “Anybody but Obama” vote, but McCain’s strategy is the same.

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Our borders were opened in the early fifties when Latinos from Central and South America came in then claimed they were Puerto Rican. If you spoke Spanish you were Puerto Rican. No one in the government stopped it. Puerto Ricans did not like what was happening because they got blamed for everything illegals were guilty of doing; drugs, etc. The problem went unnoticed in most of the country because the heaviest concentration of illegals was in New York and New Jersey. By 1960, Hudson County, New Jersey was almost a foreign country.

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Today’s nationwide immigration mess began in earnest during the LBJ years. Senator Kennedy, more than any other person, is responsible for what this country has today.

The immigration floodgates were thrown wide opened when immigration became an affirmative program. Non-Caucasians were allowed to flood in order to correct “racial imbalances.” That was the claim made by liberal Democrats ——led by their point man a young Senator Ted Kennedy. He continued to lead the fight for open borders throughout his years in the Senate; double-crossing President Reagan after RR signed the first amnesty bill.

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The Democrats controlled the machinery of government for more than forty years; i.e., the courts, and the bureaucracies. Not only was the INS neutered during those years, the American taxpayer was charged for lawyers defending illegals in our courts instead of illegals fighting their cases from their homelands at their own expense.

In the years the Democrats were in charge they tied up the immigration process with so many laws, court rulings, and bureaucratic dictates it is almost impossible to undo it. Even now, when those bums in Washington know that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against amnesty and open borders they are plowing right ahead with both.