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Old 05-12-2008, 03:41 PM
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Those without knowledge of history nor foresight of the future have always been completely lost when it requires logic...

If it were not the pressure and influence of Human Rights and prevention of dictators and communists where would this world be today? With no doubt more countries would force their people to live in conditions you couldn't imagine. If you really did care about another human being you'd be proud that your country helped free a persecuted society from tyrany...

Oh really :rofl

So ... why are we looking for a very strong leader, like ah ... Saddam Hussain, to pull the many fighting factions of Iraq together and prevent Iran from taking over the MidEast?

You should listen to US propaganda less and think more.
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Old 05-12-2008, 03:47 PM
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Come-on OB

McCain was never in combat. He flew over 15,000 ft over the battlefiels and pushed a button to release bombs. He has NO EXPERIENCE.

His awards for VALOR, say that he dropped bombs accurately. That is video game quality experience.

Sure military experience is very useful for a Commander-In-Chief, but don't mistake any of the BIG TALKERS at this forum for experienced.

Surbanite, you mistake the pantywaste at this forum for "Military Men". They are not. They are big talkers that barely saw any action, but think they sound BIG if they promote war. They are weak little boys telling stories that they heard others tell at the O/NCO clubs.
Least not forget his own son is or has already joined the Marines.

Navy Releases McCain's Military Record
Navy Releases McCain's Military Record - TIME


(WASHINGTON) — From his five years in a North Vietnamese prison camp to his tenure as the Navy's liaison to the Senate, John McCain's Navy record boils down to a series of unadorned paragraphs that bestow upon him some of the nation's top military honors.

The Navy recently released McCain's military record — most of it citations for medals during his Navy career — after a Freedom of Information Act request by The Associated Press.

McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal for resisting "extreme mental and physical cruelties" inflicted upon him by his captors from late October to early December 1967, the early months of his captivity, according to the citation. The North Vietnamese, according to the Navy, ignored international agreements and tortured McCain "in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes."

McCain, now the Republican Party's likely presidential nominee, was taken prisoner in October 1967 after he was shot down while on a mission over Hanoi. He wasn't freed until March 1973, after the United States signed peace agreements with the North Vietnamese. His captors tortured him and held him in solitary confinement. Still, he declined an offer of early release until those who had been at the prison longer than him were let go.

That decision earned McCain a Navy Commendation Medal. Although McCain was "crippled from serious and ill-treated injuries," he steadfastly refused offers of freedom from those holding him prisoner. "His selfless action served as an example to others and his forthright refusal, by giving emphasis to the insidious nature of such releases, may have prevented a possibly chaotic deterioration in prisoner discipline," the citation says.

McCain attended the U.S. Naval Academy from 1954 to 1958, and was commissioned as an ensign in June of that year. He retired in April 1981 with the rank of captain. In that time he received 17 awards and decorations. Besides the Silver Star Medal, McCain also received the Legion of Merit with a combat "V" and one gold star, a Distinguished Flying Cross and a Bronze Star Medal with a combat "V" and two gold stars.

Several citations mention his achievements either as a prisoner or as a lieutenant commander flying bombing runs off the deck of the USS Oriskany. Some are signed by then-Secretary of the Navy John Warner, who would become a colleague of McCain's in the Senate.

The citations refer to his "accurate ordnance delivery" and his "aggressive and skillful airmanship." He earned his Bronze Star the day before he was shot down, for participating in a mission over an airfield in Phuc Yen, 11 miles north of Hanoi.

The citation for his Distinguished Flying Cross sums up McCain's misfortune the following day:

"Although his aircraft was severely damaged, he continued his bomb delivery pass and released his bombs on the target. When the aircraft would not recover from the dive, Commander McCain was forced to eject over the target."

Years later, as his Navy career approached its end, McCain received the Legion of Merit Medal. By then, his missions were in the halls of Congress as a liaison to the Senate from the Navy's Office of Legislative Affairs.

He was praised for providing Navy leaders "with sage advice and sound judgment for enacting critical legislation during a period of severe fiscal constraint."

The following year, he ran for Congress from Arizona, and won.
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:25 PM
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Least not forget his own son is or has already joined the Marines.

Navy Releases McCain's Military Record...

Without looking, I can assure you his son is planning to be a pilot, not a grunt and won't know anymore about war than any of the last 3 generations of McCains.


Does any of that other information differ from what I said?

He crashed 5 planes, he dropped bombs, he broke his arms due to improper ejection on the last crash, he was captured, he was tortured, he told the enemy all he knew, then he was released within 6 months after Jane Fonda visited North Vietnams.

OB, How much have you learned about the people in the states when you fly over them at 30,000 ft in an airplane? Nothing. That is just what McCain learned in Vietnam - nothing.

McCain's experience is no better than Hillary's.

The learning was done on the ground by occupation forces who were dealing with peasants and enemy face-2-face every day.
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:48 PM
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Without looking, I can assure you his son is planning to be a pilot, not a grunt and won't know anymore about war than any of the last 3 generations of McCains.


Does any of that other information differ from what I said?

He crashed 5 planes, he dropped bombs, he broke his arms due to improper ejection on the last crash, he was captured, he was tortured, he told the enemy all he knew, then he was released within 6 months after Jane Fonda visited North Vietnams.

OB, How much have you learned about the people in the states when you fly over them at 30,000 ft in an airplane? Nothing. That is just what McCain learned in Vietnam - nothing.

McCain's experience is no better than Hillary's.

The learning was done on the ground by occupation forces who were dealing with peasants and enemy face-2-face every day.


Well McCain was shot down by the enemy. If Hillary allowed B.J. to 'shoot her' he wouldn't have been impeached.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:01 AM
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seriously, don't americans want to see a scientist president? Someone who is into advancing science, medicine, technology... etc.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:20 AM
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seriously, don't americans want to see a scientist president? Someone who is into advancing science, medicine, technology... etc.
Yes, but Einstien's dead. What's so great about a scientist president. Is there something good about hormone pumped food or fetuses grown in a petri dish? Or how about corn based gasoline that uses our food for fuel? What's so great about an economist for a president. Is there something good about givinig breaks to your rich friends or using your power to enhance your portfolio? You're a dunce. You could use anyone's strengths to condemn them for your own pathetic gain. If somebody is dumb enough to want to be president, then they're not smart enough to be president. The question of what is so great about a military president is a dumb one. What's so great about a nigger for a president.......he's black? Ooooooooo. What's so great about a dingbat dike for president........she's a dike? Wow, impressive credential. You're pretty dumb, why don't you make a run at it..........Einstien.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:31 AM
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See destruction is far more to the averge Americans liking then peaceful pursuits. Small wonder Americans are seen as barbarians.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:36 AM
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See destruction is far more to the averge Americans liking then peaceful pursuits. Small wonder Americans are seen as barbarians.
Quick, how many fingers am I holding up? Visualize spell check, bizness none your of. Uhhhhh. What was the question?
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:44 AM
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Yes, but Einstien's dead. What's so great about a scientist president. Is there something good about hormone pumped food or fetuses grown in a petri dish? Or how about corn based gasoline that uses our food for fuel? What's so great about an economist for a president. Is there something good about givinig breaks to your rich friends or using your power to enhance your portfolio? You're a dunce. You could use anyone's strengths to condemn them for your own pathetic gain. If somebody is dumb enough to want to be president, then they're not smart enough to be president. The question of what is so great about a military president is a dumb one. What's so great about a nigger for a president.......he's black? Ooooooooo. What's so great about a dingbat dike for president........she's a dike? Wow, impressive credential. You're pretty dumb, why don't you make a run at it..........Einstien.



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Old 05-13-2008, 12:46 AM
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Quick, how many fingers am I holding up? Visualize spell check, bizness none your of. Uhhhhh. What was the question?
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