Yeah,,,I want you next to me in Combat. Let the S.O.B. suffer...

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A Liberal is a Man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel (Robert Frost 1874-1963).

Again, I'd say you're basing your thoughts on Past History. Herr Hitler had the State run Hospitals and Mental Institutions pretty much "Sanitized" by 1938.

That's a very high concern of mine too.

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A Liberal is a Man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel (Robert Frost 1874-1963).

So you rather have a bud blow you away than trying to save your life?

Okay...............................

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That's just lame, you fully understood the scenario he proposed.

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Let's keep in mind the original context Chris. I don't know if you've ever seen someone you've spent time with blown in half...

I have. And yes,,,I'd hope they'd end my screams just as quickly.

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A Liberal is a Man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel (Robert Frost 1874-1963).

He made a black and white retort, and I answered accordingly.

And he would know the answer to that scenerio if he had ANY medical experience.

Massive blood loss in that scenerio will render the guy unconscious and clinically dead within 4 minutes (that last window of oxygen to the brain). He would only have enough time to scream, perhaps a sentence or two, and be gone. Most of the time the trauma would be too devastasting and he'll be dead instantly -- heck, a blown off limb could even kill, and not due to the severed limb and blood loss, but a heart attack.

There's only a few times were that scenerio would be appropriate -- preventing very important live intel getting into enemy hands; someone preventing even more folks from NOT dying (a crushed person in a tunnel that's on fire, and the guy's body is blocking the exit); sacrificing yourself for the many to live (a good example is Captain Oates of the Robert F. Scott South Polar Expedition, going out for a walk in a middle of a storm so his mates could have food and water to survive [they didn't, but he sacrificed his life to try to save more]).

Just offing yourself for "dignity" is devolving as a species, as everything in us pushes us to survive and live.

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Big Brother can solve world hunger.

Ever seen a bailed pilot who landed on the tarmac feet first, and the results (Blood on the Risers don't come close)? Or how often the face is pulled off intact from the head, and the job of matching the "head glove" back on the corpse? Or upon impact, and just before the face is blown off (very neatly may I add, almost with surgical precision), their last grimance is etched in their skull by the flashball? I have hundreds of memories of more "aftermaths", that could turn the stomachs of even M.E.'s.

Yeah, half a guy missing is traumatic, but like in life, there's always something worse to see and feel.

And in combat, you don't even have time to care about the body. In Korea for example they stacked the dead like cords of wood (body bags? Who would've even thought of that sacrilege?).

Personalization of death is a new concept, Real. Your bud got more attention than that poor smuck in WWI decaying to a skeleton in No Man's Land. Or in Iraq, getting eaten by dogs.

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A Liberal is a Man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel (Robert Frost 1874-1963).

Let's go into some more details about suicide and dying, okay? Let's strart with the worst single aircraft disaster in history, Japan Airlines Flight 123 in 1985 (this is the flight that killed the 1964 hit song "Sukiyaki" singer Kyu Sakamoto)...

AirDisaster.Com: Accident Photo: Japan Air 123

Over 500 passengers and crew had the "luxury" of time before the ineviable. The plane was helpless, no hydraulics to steer plane, as it was severed along with part of the tail.

What did the passengers do?

Did they commit hari kari enmasse?

No, some took the time to write their last farewell and resigned to their fate...that l-o-n-g 45 minute ride.

Dying has been glamorized to the point of stupidity by movies and books. It's so easy to die, but so difficult to live -- and in the above, hoping despite the odds that fate would be kind.

BTW, 4 did survive in that crash.

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