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View Poll Results: What are your views on Suicide
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Suicide is a personal choice
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Suicide should be an option, but be monitored to ensure the person is mentally healthy and informed
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Suicide should be legally and medically prohibited
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None of the above, but I think suicide is a viable option for some
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None of the above, but I don’t suicide is a viable option for anyone
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05-08-2008, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by basharp1
Wolf,
Are you contemplating suicide?
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no. there was a time. but from that time I've learned a bit about suicide and studied the idea that perhaps its not always a mental problem and perhaps its the best option for some.
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Originally Posted by bluedog
If anyone profess a belief in God, Christianity, or the afterlife of eternity, a person has no more right to take his/her own life than do they have any right to take another's. Simply because our life does not belong to us according to the teachings of God. Thus any pain that person must endure in this physical life is nothing in comparison to eternity separated from the presence and love of God. "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, AND YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN? For you were bought for a price, therefore GLORIFY GOD in your body and spirit, which are Gods." -- l Cor 6:19-20
Another mistake is deciding that suicide is the only solution, sense when? It's true not all alternatives are pleasant, but there is always a choice to live. Anyone contemplating suicide has the choice to face their problems head on to find another solution. "No temptation has overtaken you except is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." -- l Cor. 10:13. Suicide is an attempt to escape a "perceived" problem, but it never really solves the problem it merely leaves it for others to deal with, in a most cowardly fashion. Suicide is not based upon bravery, but cowardliness is inversely demonstrated. Why should anyone be phrased for being a coward? "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murders (and suicide is nothing short of murder), sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." -- Rev. 20:8
These are the religious concerns, but of course if one has no faith, they have no fear of God....at least while they are alive. {LVCOC} BD
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but not all people share your beliefs. some would say its foolish to live a hard life if its no longer rewarding. working for no reason.
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Originally Posted by April15
Suicide is a result of depression. Depression has external triggers set by years of behaiviral patterns. Most frequently ridicule by others set these emotions of inadequacy into the persona of the person. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy can along with medication change the person.
If you are one of those who don't much give a shit about a person with suicide thoughts perhaps you are part of the problem!
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I think many people who kill themselves are depressed. but some seem very rational and aware of what they are doing. I can think of two fairly good cases to attest to this.
1- a man who used the suicide company. he was an older man, no living relatives left, nothing that held his interest any longer. waited, did counseling, and after his couple years was ready and very contently ended his life
2- a girl who killed herself and her quote said 'what is stopping me from dealing with all the problems in my life? nothing.'
it wasn't that hse felt trapped. she just didn't care and wasn't interested in the ups and downs, trials and struggles, and few rewards life offers.
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05-08-2008, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22
actually its in doctors best interest to keep people alive- keep billing them. the dead don't pay.
isn't it selfish to keep someone alive who is suffering or hurting just do you can be spared pain?
I could see it being selfish both ways, but dislike that many have only noted one way.
I'd personally say I am pro-choice suicide. I do like the concept of therapy. you must be sure for a long time that you don't want to live. its not an easy choice to make nor is it one you can change.
I do think a time frame like this can help when dealing with people who suffer from some mood disorder but are on medicine. if their meds are working and they still don't want to live- its not about their chemical imbalance, but there person feelings.
I think sometimes life just isn't good for everyone. sometimes there is nothing that is worth it. I see life as a challege with rewards. if your rewards aren't worth the challege, why do it? why keep living?
and if you no longer care for the rewards, no longer value life, don't find solace in the good aprts of life- there is good chance life isn't worth it for you any longer.
I like conversing about this. good opinions. mostly good comments. please countinue
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Everything in life is temporary.
What is here today can be gone tomorrow.
Savor every day as if it's your last.
If simple things in life don't give you pleasure then it's time to up the medication and therapy. |
05-08-2008, 10:42 PM
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Quick! Use them!! The Jooz are coming!
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05-08-2008, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DammitBoy!
Quick! Use them!! The Jooz are coming!
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I'm putting them into your douche water, now gargle and spit!
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05-08-2008, 11:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
Everything in life is temporary.
What is here today can be gone tomorrow.
Savor every day as if it's your last.
If simple things in life don't give you pleasure then it's time to up the medication and therapy.
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sometimes medication and therapy don't work. I think they fail sometimes because they aren't viable for everyone. some people just get to a point where its not worth it and there is no help, no fixing, no mending.
its not a good thing. but its much more dignifying, stress relieving, and rational to admit this. (once again not for everyone, but for some)
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05-09-2008, 12:07 AM
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If I were too tired of living, I would only seek to induce a long term coma after moving to a solid Republican district filled with very Christian evangelicals and rich Republicans with an excellent set of nursing homes. That way I would die knowing those Republicans was be paying property taxes to keep my corpse alive. I would die rejoicing.
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05-09-2008, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22
sometimes medication and therapy don't work. I think they fail sometimes because they aren't viable for everyone. some people just get to a point where its not worth it and there is no help, no fixing, no mending.
its not a good thing. but its much more dignifying, stress relieving, and rational to admit this. (once again not for everyone, but for some)
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i just can't buy that...maybe it's cause i work every day with people attempting to recover from mental illness. Would make my job just completely trivial if I did buy that statement I guess. Anyhow, there is always hope, it's just not always visible. When you're suffering sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees. i have wrestled knives away from people's throats, stayed up all night with people who wanted to hang themselves to 'spread the love of God throughout His chosen people'...and those are just a few examples. If people are willing to try and recover, to reach out and attempt to climb out of their holes, other people will reach back. And yeah, people DO often reach a point where they think there is no help. But that's just called being in 'crisis' it's not a normal or consistent state for anyone. The only real reason i can see for suicide -preferably assisted- would be for terminally ill people who are suffering, otherwise it's just a waste of human life
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05-09-2008, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jayded
i just can't buy that...maybe it's cause i work every day with people attempting to recover from mental illness. Would make my job just completely trivial if I did buy that statement I guess. Anyhow, there is always hope, it's just not always visible. When you're suffering sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees. i have wrestled knives away from people's throats, stayed up all night with people who wanted to hang themselves to 'spread the love of God throughout His chosen people'...and those are just a few examples. If people are willing to try and recover, to reach out and attempt to climb out of their holes, other people will reach back. And yeah, people DO often reach a point where they think there is no help. But that's just called being in 'crisis' it's not a normal or consistent state for anyone. The only real reason i can see for suicide -preferably assisted- would be for terminally ill people who are suffering, otherwise it's just a waste of human life
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don't get me wrong. I'm a psyc major and believe that therapy can be very helpful to many people.
but I don't think life is some indespensible, unequivical thing that everyone can enjoy if they only try.
hence why I support the idea of people waiting for years before killing themselves. the idea has to be consistent.
I do kinda have an issue with the idea of 'hopeless' or 'helpless'. I think someone whose life looks great (decent money, promising future, ect) could want to committ suicide because they simply don't feel life is worth the trouble. in basic terms, the positive parts of life aren't worth the work or the negative parts. (I did mention one such case)
it seems very weird to anyone else why someone with a "good" life wouldn't care enough to keep working, keep living. but I do think its entirely possible. we all value different things, and place different amounts of value on things.
do you value life?
how much do you value life?
when would you change your views?
(many would say Yes, A lot, and until serious illness sets in- but some would say something completly different.)
I guess I jsut take issue the unchallenged idea that life is something everyone should desire. and if you don't, you just need someone to help you (or fix you).
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05-09-2008, 05:49 AM
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Do you know what suicide is? 
Ignoring the New World Order. 
It's Mass Suicide. 
It's wrong 
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05-09-2008, 09:16 AM
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