The evil rich pays more

rob · #31 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

Let me help you ou here Robh

First off, the “Evil Rich people” crap is pretty much a lame straw man, so please spare us the accusations of a class war, when in fact bit is YOUR ilk that has been waging one for 40 years now

I for one, am a Liberal who is well on her way to being one of those “Rich people’ and in fact, my personal assets already exceed a million dollars I am proud to be in the upper end of the 28% bracket, and hope to be in the 30%s soon

The other thing you seem to overlook, is that you party, has NOT BEEN the “party of the rich” for decades.
In fact, quite the contrary.

167 House of Representatives districts where the median income is higher than the median national income, you find that Democrats have been elected more often then Republicans

Why ?

Upper income voters also tend to be better educated.

Upper income voters are more likely to be plugged into beter news sources, and less likely to watch Fox News,and listen to talk radio

The districts where Democrats made the biggest gains in 2006 were suburban districts -- places that need government and government services, and places that are not as responsive to the Republican conservative message that government is evil and needs to be starved

The Republican base is in fact, the American working poor

The fact that those who will be in a position to PAY more taxes, know we need to move the rates back to pre 2000 rates speaks volumes…don’t you think ?

Smart makes a come back, thanks for clearing the air, because I have said for years that their are just as many wealthy liberals if not more than Conservatives. The evil rich is a straw man arguement that Lefities have used for years. The left survives because of class warfare.

Good to hear that you are sucessful but I for one want smaller goverment not more intrusion into my life.

smart makes a comeback · #32 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 09:27 AM

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Smart makes a come back, thanks for clearing the air, because I have said for years that their are just as many wealthy liberals if not more than Conservatives. The evil rich is a straw man arguement that Lefities have used for years. The left survives because of class warfare.

Good to hear that you are sucessful but I for one want smaller goverment not more intrusion into my life.

Nice try rob, but the evil rich straw man and the class war are creations of the Right...and any objective review of recent history confirms that.

The right starting the class war, by selling the idea that what is good for the 3% elite is good for the Southern working poor, and convicing them to attack the consumer and working class, is the greatest case of mass brainwashing since Berlin 1939, and almost as evil.
The life blood of the right is fear, class envy and hate.

Nice to know you want less intrusion in the lives of Americans, and that is why I am sure you support a womens right to choose, and oppose the flag burning amendment, the ban on gay marrage,and stronly oppose no child left behind the patriot act....Right ?

Tileman · #33 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 09:59 AM

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However, your article fails to mention that they are also owning a larger and larger share of the total wealth...

What are the rich doing with that larger percentage of wealth is reinvesting it back into companies which create jobs and stimulates the economy with more productivity.

The money the government spends creates more dependence and less productivity.

When has the government ever spent your money (taxes) in a more efficient way than you spend it yourself? I trust the rich much more than I trust the government with how to keep the economy going.

Rich people create jobs
Government creates dependents

rob · #34 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

Nice try rob, but the evil rich straw man and the class war are creations of the Right...and any objective review of recent history confirms that.

The right starting the class war, by selling the idea that what is good for the 3% elite is good for the Southern working poor, and convicing them to attack the consumer and working class, is the greatest case of mass brainwashing since Berlin 1939, and almost as evil.
The life blood of the right is fear, class envy and hate.

Nice to know you want less intrusion in the lives of Americans, and that is why I am sure you support a womens right to choose, and oppose the flag burning amendment, the ban on gay marrage,and stronly oppose no child left behind the patriot act....Right ?

Hey which party is always wanting to take the money from the Oil company investors and give to others?

smart makes a comeback · #35 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 12:04 PM

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Hey which party is always wanting to take the money from the Oil company investors and give to others?

Democrats ARE oil company investors.

You really need to stop forming your opinions from talk radio

Commissioner · #36 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 12:28 PM

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Democrats ARE oil company investors.

You really need to stop forming your opinions from talk radio

I really don't listen to much talk radio. But I have seen enough of the Daily Kos, Mediamatters.com and Moveon.org. to know that's where most of smartmakesacomeback's BS rants are coming from. Here's a suggestion, honey, maybe you should try some talk radio...or at least pick up a book.

rob · #37 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:04 PM

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I really don't listen to much talk radio. But I have seen enough of the Daily Kos, Mediamatters.com and Moveon.org. to know that's where most of smartmakesacomeback's BS rants are coming from. Here's a suggestion, honey, maybe you should try some talk radio...or at least pick up a book.

Why should they do that when they can blast conservatives for quoting conservative sites?

smart makes a comeback · #38 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 04:27 PM

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I really don't listen to much talk radio. But I have seen enough of the Daily Kos, Mediamatters.com and Moveon.org. to know that's where most of smartmakesacomeback's BS rants are coming from. Here's a suggestion, honey, maybe you should try some talk radio...or at least pick up a book.

Dude,,Please..if you could be housebroken...I could make you my pet.
I wouldnt want you pissing on my rug though..

You see mushhead, I dont need to check in with drug addicts, (Rush) convicted felons, (North) closet cases (Hannity) and post operative transexuals (Ingrham) to see what my opinion is allowed to be, like you Ditto-dunder head bushbot lemmings do.

If you Right wingers spent less time soliciting male escorts and cruising for sex in public restrooms, (Wide stance) you might have had time to educate yourselves

TheDayYourDignityDied · #39 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 07:54 PM

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Hey, I just want to hear more about your intriguing theory of "relative democracy". Is it different than the democracy we had 10 years ago? 30 years ago? a century ago? Also, is it any different than anybody else's democracy? Say England, for instance? Or Sweden?

And how do we get it from "relative democracy" to whatever kind of democracy you think we should have? Do we add a little socialism? or a smidgeon of totalitarianism?

I've always thought the founding fathers did a pretty good job setting things up (except for that one nasty little line in the Constitution about "for the public good" that liberal nitwits have invoked in everything from the aforementioned midnight basketball leagues to a federally mandated pension plan for those who favor a starvation diet). Not perfect but pretty good. Inside of two hundred years we became the biggest economic, political, cultural, military and industrial power in the world. And it seems everybody still wants to come here. And I mean everybody.

Excuse me, but your theory of "relative democracy" sounded to me like some know-it-all blowhard with a gigantic bug up his ass who just like to whine. To be honest, you ought to be happy with your relative democracy, because I'm pretty sure real democracy--where other peoples' voices carry as much weight as your own--just wouldn't be your cup of tea.

Nah, you're just mad cos deep down you know I'm right. But OK.

What about what I said, do you think it is wrong? and tell me why? (you wont, and we both know it's cos you can't)

But OK, we have a "relative democracy" and always have, cos the idea of leadership is to control people in the most effective way. The most effective way to do that, is to do it without people realizing they're being controlled. People need to be controlled cos people are stupid (I'm generalizing). If people were smart they wouldn't vote for any of the candidates. They are all lying, blatantly.

To control the stupid isn't hard if you know how to do it, and the government knows how to do it.

Real0ne · #40 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 08:15 PM

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DAMNED EVIL RICH PEOPLE Don't liberals just love to holler about "tax cuts for the rich?" It doesn't matter what the facts are – people just love to hear that stuff. In a country awash with achievement envy (a/k/a "wealth envy") people just love to hear that those who have accomplished more than they are going to be hammered for daring to excel.
Well ... not to burst your bubble, but a report from the National Center for Policy Analysis shows that the tax burden has been increasing on the evil rich faster than their incomes have been going up.
Here's a quickie look at the figures since 1986.

The share of the income tax paid by the top 1 percent of income earners went from 25.8 percent to over 37 percent.
The percentage their total income that the top 1 percent of income earners paid from their income to the federal government rose from 18.3 percent to 19.6 percent. The percentage paid by the bottom fifth of income earners went from 0.4 percent to zero percent.
The income share of the top 1 percent rose from 11.3 percent to 19 percent while their share of income taxes rose from 26 to 37 percent. That's a 7.7 percent increase in income and a 11 percent increase in income taxes.

Clearly these evil rich people are getting away with murder. We need to really raise their taxes, don't we?

Oh boody hoo hoo!

That just means they have not been paying their fair share all this while.

hell these people pay more in taxes at 50% than the people around a city block gross in a year.

breaks my independent heart.