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Old 02-29-2008, 07:33 AM
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OK muslims do not worship the God of Israel. Muslims have to kill every Jew and Christian on earth or the Koran isnt true. Jews and Christians are infidels in muslim eyes. Jews and Christians belong to God of Israel. Muslims belong to Satan. Satan has to establish his kingdom on earth before Jesus Christ comes back. Thats why you hear for Israel to be blown off the map. They will detonate.
This is the kid of mentallity that religion (of any kind) causes. Is it pure stupidity or just ignorance?
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:04 AM
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The pictures of Barack Obama in African garb and the focus by wingnuts on his middle name has shown the continual fear of the Other on the part of the Republican party, with the other being Muslims. When you have people screaming that Obama will swear on the Koran instead of the Bible and Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison (who did take his oath on the Koran) being asked to prove his allegiance to this country, it’s clear that way too many people buy into the “Muslims are the enemy” mentality. This whole notion that all Muslims are some 7th century throwback who “hate us for our freedoms” really does show the collective dumbing down of this country.

Gallup did an extensive survey of 50,000 Muslims globally on their attitudes and values, and recently published its findings in a book called Who Speaks For Islam? Some of their findings knock out these insulting stereotypes that the administration and media keep feeding us:
The result is Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, based on six years of research and more than 50,000 interviews representing 1.3 billion Muslims who reside in more than 35 nations that are predominantly Muslim or have sizable Muslim populations. Representing more than 90% of the world’s Muslim community, it makes this poll the largest, most comprehensive study of its kind.
What the data reveal and the authors illuminate may surprise you:
* Muslims and Americans are equally likely to reject attacks on civilians as morally unjustifiable.
* Large majorities of Muslims would guarantee free speech if it were up to them to write a new constitution AND they say religious leaders should have no direct role in drafting that constitution.
* Muslims around the world say that what they LEAST admire about the West is its perceived moral decay and breakdown of traditional values - the same answers that Americans themselves give when asked this question.
* When asked about their dreams for the future, Muslims say they want better jobs and security, not conflict and violence.
* Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims and respect Islam.
Hmmm….doesn’t sound like the bloodthirsty savages bent on destroying this country, does it? Will this survey or its findings ever make it onto American airwaves? Nope, I don’t think so either. It’s so much easier to wallow in ignorance and bigotry.
To FedUpAmerican: Stupid people fear global warming. Empty-headed idiots do not fear the people who openly threatened to kill them long before 9-11-2001.

Incidentally, anybody can post messages. I’m never sure if messages denying the very real threat posed by Islam’s most radical devotees are posted by closet Muslims doing their bit for Allah, or posted by naive do-gooders who will be the first “unbelievers” sent to the wall after the
promised worldwide caliphate is established?

The following excerpt from the Robert Spencer article makes me wonder why Muslims are not told to avoid contact with the “vilest of created beings” by simply emigrating to a Muslim country.


“ . . . in the service of a supremacist ideology that emanates from the Qur’anic assertions that Muslims are the “best of people” (3:110) while unbelievers are the “vilest of created beings” (98:6). Unbelievers are unclean (9:28) – which leads to the conclusion, reasonable to the pious, that Muslims should be chary of contact with them.”

The MSA: Segregation Not Integration
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, February 29, 2008

Muslim students at Australian universities have demanded that class schedules be changed to
work around their prayer times, and that male and female students be provided with separate
cafeterias and recreational areas.

This is in line with similar initiatives in the United States, where the Muslim Students
Association carries, on the “Muslim Accommodations Task Force” page of its website, pdfs of
pamphlets entitled “How to Achieve Islamic Holidays on Campus,” “How to Establish a Prayer
Room on Campus,” and “How to Achieve Halal Food on Campus.”

The MSA directs Muslim students to present these demands in the context of multiculturalism
and civil rights. “Most campuses,” explains the publication on getting recognition of Islamic
holy “include respecting diversity as a part of their mission statement. They consider enrollment
of diverse students an asset to the community, as they enhance the classroom learning
experience and enrich student life. Try to find these statements specific to your campus, and
explain that recognition of Islamic holidays would serve as a practical example of upholding
these ideals.”

Such recognition would also serve to right wrongs done to Muslims on campus: “If any cases of
bias against Muslims took place on campus in the recent past, present the proposal as an
opportunity to foster cooperation and increase understanding.” It would be a simple matter of
civil rights: “Additionally, if special holiday recognition is being offered to other faith
communities (Jewish, Catholic, Protestant), Muslims have strong grounds to make a petition for
equal consideration of their holiday requirements.”

It’s ironic that such calls for equal consideration would be made in service of an agenda that is
so interested in being separate: the calls for separate eating and exercise facilities are a strange
discordant note in a movement that claims for itself the mantle of the American civil rights
movements. By the MSA’s lights, the Muslim Rosa Parks would insist on sitting in a separate
place on the bus, and Muslim students would demand the right not to have to eat at infidel lunch
counters.

This is one of the primary reasons, but by no means the only reason, why the increasingly shrill
demands in Western countries for accommodation of Muslim practices are not the latest
manifestation of the push for equal rights for minorities, notwithstanding the posturings and
protestations of Muslim leaders. Demanding a place at the table is not the same thing as
demanding a separate table of one’s own. In the civil rights movement, black Americans were
working for full inclusion in the larger secular democratic culture, not trying to carve out their
own enclave within it. If anything, they had that already, and that was the problem: if the
Supreme Court could conclude in Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka that “in the field
of public education, the doctrine of separate but equal has no place,” because “separate
educational facilities are inherently unequal,” then they are still unequal.

And just as they were deemed unequal in 1954 because they abetted cultural attitudes that
exalted one group as superior to the other, so also today: the demands of Muslim groups for
separate facilities are in the service of a supremacist ideology that emanates from the Qur’anic
assertions that Muslims are the “best of people” (3:110) while unbelievers are the “vilest of
created beings” (98:6). Unbelievers are unclean (9:28) – which leads to the conclusion,
reasonable to the pious, that Muslims should be chary of contact with them. Every Western
capitulation made to demands for Muslim accommodation only feeds these supremacist notions,
and works directly against the actual goals of the civil rights movement, which were equal
justice and equal rights for all.

What’s more, the MSA, the chief proponent of the growing Muslim accommodations movement
in the United States, was listed as a “friend” of the Muslim Brotherhood in the infamous 1992
memorandum which spoke of the “grand Jihad” aimed at “eliminating and destroying the
Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the
hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all
other religions.” The victory of Allah’s religion over other religions is a Qur’anic imperative:
“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah” (8:39), and it is an
inherently supremacist imperative, in which non-Muslims pay a special tax from which Muslims
are exempt, the jizya, “with willing submission and feel themselves subdued” (9:29).

Instead of capitulating to Muslim demands for separate facilities, university administrators and
public officials ought to question those making the demands about their overall goals, and about
the incongruity of claiming that creation of their own enclave is a matter of equality of rights for
all.

But when will we have university administrators and public officials with that kind of courage
and foresight?

Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad
Watch. He is the author of seven books, eight monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad
and Islamic terrorism, including the New York Times Bestsellers .

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...56D-9356-C1A6A
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