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08-02-2006, 01:39 AM
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>Why are we still paying $3 for a gallon of gas and why do we accept paying that much for gas?
The simple answer is don't accept $3 per gallon, and stop buying/using it!
In reality Gas/Petrol is still cheap in the USA, and the USA knows it, however much they might whine, they don't buy smaller cars and drive less.
Cars are much smaller in Europe, consume less, and are driven less. Gas @ $3.00 per gallon is both statistically cheap and still viewed as cheap by USA consumers. In Europe it is approx. $8 per gallon, so you see $3 per gallon is still very cheap!
The price remains high because of the Opec Cartel, in most industries such a thing would be illegal, but, not in oil.
Opec has a limited resource and wants to maximize profits for the next 200 years, gas would be less than $0.30 cents per gallon if Opec agreed to pump at maximum rates........but, they have a limited investment to control.
Diamonds would be almost worthless if DeBeers flooded the diamond market, same with oil, it is a controlled substance.
The answer to both issues is the same, "buy fake". Encourage E85.........it is the future, most don't encourage E85 yet as oil is still too cheap.
I say bring on $10 per gallon for gas, then people will reduce the size of vehicles and look to corn!
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08-02-2006, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Politicon
May I remind you that we are in a Free Market economy meaning the government can't do a thing about it. The only claim they could have is that it's a strategic resource and I think that would hardly apply in this situation. To have the government regulate the prices would be to undercut our free market.
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Gasoline is a comodity and the government can regulate gas prices. It's been done before.
Perhaps Bush and Osama are giving you a cut of their fortune?
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08-02-2006, 05:55 AM
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Europeans have been paying more for fuel than we have for years. The problem in the US is that we haven't built any new refineries in over 30 years. Plus some Americans don't want to do any off shore drilling fearing it will hurt their tourism business.
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08-02-2006, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by percentages
>Why are we still paying $3 for a gallon of gas and why do we accept paying that much for gas?
The simple answer is don't accept $3 per gallon, and stop buying/using it!
In reality Gas/Petrol is still cheap in the USA, and the USA knows it, however much they might whine, they don't buy smaller cars and drive less.
Cars are much smaller in Europe, consume less, and are driven less. Gas @ $3.00 per gallon is both statistically cheap and still viewed as cheap by USA consumers. In Europe it is approx. $8 per gallon, so you see $3 per gallon is still very cheap!
The price remains high because of the Opec Cartel, in most industries such a thing would be illegal, but, not in oil.
Opec has a limited resource and wants to maximize profits for the next 200 years, gas would be less than $0.30 cents per gallon if Opec agreed to pump at maximum rates........but, they have a limited investment to control.
Diamonds would be almost worthless if DeBeers flooded the diamond market, same with oil, it is a controlled substance.
The answer to both issues is the same, "buy fake". Encourage E85.........it is the future, most don't encourage E85 yet as oil is still too cheap.
I say bring on $10 per gallon for gas, then people will reduce the size of vehicles and look to corn!
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Well, that is exactly the attitude that answers my question as to why are we still paying $3 per gallon of gas.
Why would it take gasoline to go up to $10 per gallon for our government to supply us with E85? Thats the most rediculous thing that i've ever heard.
Brasil, a quasi third world country has been using ethanol and hydrogen for years.
You say that the simple answer is "Stop buying it & stop using it???? Even more rediculous. What do you suppose i use? Our government hasnt given us choices of automobile energy and doesnt have any plans on coming up with a real one because of the profits.
What a joke!
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08-02-2006, 07:55 AM
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Political Junkie
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"Why would it take gasoline to go up to $10 per gallon for our government to supply us with E85?"
The government doesn't supply us with fuel.
The factors causing the high cost of petroleum products starts with the original producers. OPEC is charging very high prices for crude oil.
It's too bad we have not invaded them and taken the oil.  Just kidding.
There are many other factors. We should have been drilling in the ANWR and offshore for all these years.
As someone said, we have not built a new refinery for 30 years. It's just too much of an expensive hassle to even try, thanks to government-imposed environmental and other regulations and red tape.
We have different gasoline formulas for different parts ofthe country, for environmental reasons. When there's a local shortage, gas from another part of the country where there's no shortage can't be transfered. That causes local shortages and higher prices.
Mostly, gas prices are high because Americans have plenty of money and they are willing to spend it on gasoline!
If you want cheap gas, move to Mexico. I think they are paying well under a dollar a gallon.
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08-02-2006, 08:14 AM
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Start using Biodesiel and other alternative fuels and quit griping. People in the US drive just as much as we did 5 yrs ago. The price of fuel gives the pessimistic, complaining, everythings wrong and it's someone else's fault people in this country something else to complain about. I mean give me a break most people do not have a problem spending 3, 4, & 5 dollars for a latte or iced mocha but then complain about gas prices. If you are that worried about money you can save more by not eating out or drinking at the local Starbucks then you could if gas prices went down.
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08-02-2006, 08:42 AM
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The underlying issue is oil and our nations dependence on it. If you listen to the dribble from the likes of Pete Domenici (R-NM) He would have us believing that the lack of progress in the various fields of alterative energy, lies with Bankers and Investors reluctance to make large investment in such ventures, out of fear that the price of oil will drop. And once again Americans will forget the days of $3.00 gasoline and go about frolicking in our self imposed utopian world, oblivious to all around.
How naive do the Washington bureaucrats think we are?
They take a page right out of the Oil Lobby Handbook and try to pass it off as fact.
So deep are their hands in the pockets Big Oil, many actually believe this dribble.
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08-02-2006, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jrafe
Real simple. People still pay whatever it costs. Don't fault the oil companies. If I could sell a glass of lemonade for $2 instead of .50 cents why wouldn't I?
You get 50 million drivers and tell them all not to fill up for a month and watch those prices plummet.
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Excellent post. Supply and demand. It is charged because we are willing to pay. My father bought a scooter last year that gets about 85 miles/gallon and goes about 65-70 mph. It's at least an option.
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08-02-2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal
Start using Biodesiel and other alternative fuels and quit griping. People in the US drive just as much as we did 5 yrs ago. The price of fuel gives the pessimistic, complaining, everythings wrong and it's someone else's fault people in this country something else to complain about. I mean give me a break most people do not have a problem spending 3, 4, & 5 dollars for a latte or iced mocha but then complain about gas prices. If you are that worried about money you can save more by not eating out or drinking at the local Starbucks then you could if gas prices went down.
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Hell, I wont go to dunkin donuts because i refuse to pay $1.25 for a small cup of coffee (not to mention that their coffee sucks). and i refuse to pay more than $5 for my lunch. But when i'm getting ripped off on gasoline and i dont have an alternative option you're going to hear about it!
Ok, Stepping off my soap box. 
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08-02-2006, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Petey
Hell, I wont go to dunkin donuts because i refuse to pay $1.25 for a small cup of coffee (not to mention that their coffee sucks). and i refuse to pay more than $5 for my lunch. But when i'm getting ripped off on gasoline and i dont have an alternative option you're going to hear about it!
Ok, Stepping off my soap box. 
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No alternative lets see: Biodesiel, Hybrids, and Hydrogen nope your are right no alternatives
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