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Old 11-18-2007, 02:02 AM
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"You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government"

by Thom Hartmann

In a May 25, 2001 interview, Grover Norquist told National Public Radio's Mara Liasson, "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

Norquist got his wish. Democracy - and at least several thousand people, most of them Democrats, black, and poor - drowned last week in the basin of New Orleans. Our nation failed in its response, because for most of the past 25 years conservatives who don't believe in governance have run our government.

As incompetent as George W. Bush has been in his response to the disaster in New Orleans, he wasn't the one who began the process that inevitably led to that disaster spiraling out of control.

That would be Ronald Reagan.

It was Reagan who began the deliberate and intentional destruction of the United States of America when he famously cracked (and then incessantly repeated): "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Reagan, like George W. Bush after him, failed to understand that when people come together into community, and then into nationhood, that they organize themselves to protect themselves from predators, both human and corporate, both domestic and foreign. This form of organization is called government.

But the Reagan/Bush ideologues don't "believe" in government, in anything other than a military and police capacity. Government should punish, they agree, but it should never nurture, protect, or defend individuals. Nurturing and protecting, they suggest, is the more appropriate role of religious institutions, private charities, families, and - perhaps most important - corporations.

Let the corporations handle your old-age pension. Let the corporations decide how much protection we and our environment need from their toxics. Let the corporations decide what we're paid. Let the corporations decide what doctor we can see, when, and for what purpose.

This is the exact opposite of the vision for which the Founders of this nation fought and died. When Thomas Jefferson changed John Locke's "Life, liberty, and private property" to "Live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," it was the first time in the history of the world that a newly founded nation had written the word "happiness" into its founding document. The phrase "promote the general welfare" - another revolutionary concept - first appeared in the preamble to our Constitution in 1787.

Talk show cons and TV talking head cons and political cons - both Republican and DLC Democratic - repeat the mantra of "smaller government," and Americans nod their heads in agreement, not realizing the hidden agenda at work.

Reagan was the first American president to actually preach that his own job was a bad thing. He once said, "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." One can only assume he was speaking of himself and his fellow Republicans, and certainly the current Congress's devotion to the interests of inherited wealth and large corporations displays how badly his philosophy has corrupted a role so noble it drew idealists like Jefferson, Lincoln, and the two Roosevelts.

But cons can't imagine anybody wanting to devote their lives to the service of their nation. The highest calling in their minds is to make profit.

As Reagan said: "The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away."

This mind-set - that the only purpose for service in government is to set up the interests of business - may account for why not a single military-eligible member of the Bush or Cheney families has enlisted in their parents' "Noble Cause," whereas all four sons of Franklin Roosevelt joined and each was decorated - on merit - for bravery in the deadly conflict of World War II.

There are, after all, no reasons in the conservative worldview for government service other than self-enrichment. As Ronald Reagan said: "Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book."

What they don't say is that the reason they want to remove government in its protective capacity is because they can then make an enormous amount of money, and have a lot of control over people's lives, when they privatize former governmental functions. They want a power vacuum, so corporations and the rich can step in. And with no limits on the inheritability of riches after the "death tax" is ended, wealth vast enough to take over the government can emerge.

Given this conservative world-view, it shouldn't surprise us that in 2001 George W. Bush appointed his 2000 presidential campaign manager (Joseph Albaugh) as head of FEMA, or that two years later Albaugh would have left FEMA to start a consulting firm to marry corporations with Iraq "reconstruction" federal dollars, and put in charge of FEMA his assistant (and old college roommate), an equally unqualified former failed executive with the International Arabian Horse Association.

It also shouldn't surprise us that although Dick Cheney has stayed on vacation in Wyoming through all of this, his company, Halliburton, has already obtained a multi-million-dollar contract to profit from Hurricane Katrina's cleanup.

It's not that these conservatives are incompetent or stupid. When their interests are at stake, they can be very efficient. Consider when Hurricane Charley hit Jeb Bush's state - a year earlier than Katrina - on the second weekend of August, 2004, just months before the elections. The White House website notes:

As of noon Monday [the day after the hurricane left], in response to Hurricane Frances, FEMA and other Federal response agencies have taken the following actions:


-- About one hundred trucks of water and 280 trucks of ice are present or will arrive in the Jacksonville staging area today. 900,000 Meals-Ready-to-Eat are on site in Jacksonville, ready to be distributed.

-- Over 7,000 cases of food (e.g., vegetables, fruits, cheese, ham, and turkey) are scheduled to arrive in Winter Haven today. Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMAT) are on the ground and setting up comfort stations. FEMA community relations personnel will coordinate with DMATs to assist victims. -- Urban Search and Rescue Teams are completing reconnaissance missions in coordination with state officials.

-- FEMA is coordinating with the Department of Energy and the state to ensure that necessary fuel supplies can be distributed throughout the state, with a special focus on hospitals and other emergency facilities that are running on generators.

-- The Army Corps of Engineers will soon begin its efforts to provide tarps to tens of thousands of owners of homes and buildings that have seen damage to their roofs.

-- The National Guard has called up 4,100 troops in Florida, as well as thousands in other nearby states to assist in the distribution of supplies and in preparation for any flooding.

-- The Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and Defense together have organized 300 medical personnel to be on standby. Medical personnel will begin deployment to Florida tomorrow.

-- FEMA is coordinating public information messages with Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, and North Carolina so that evacuees from Florida can be informed when it is safe to return. -- In addition to federal personnel already in place to respond to Hurricane Charley, 1,000 additional community relations personnel are being deployed to Atlanta for training and further assignment in Florida.


All of this aid was vitally important to Bush family political fortunes in the upcoming election of 2004. Disaster relief checks were in the mail within a week. In just the first thirteen days after Hurricane Charley hit Florida, the White House web site notes that the Bush administration had succeeded in:


-- Registering approximately 136,000 assistance applicants
-- Approving over 13,500 applications for more than $59 million in housing assistance

-- Establishing 12 disaster recovery centers, which have assisted nearly 19,000 disaster victims

-- Deploying medical teams that have seen nearly 3,000 patients

-- Disbursing 1.2 million liters of water, 8.1 million pounds of ice, and 2 million meals and snacks

-- Delivering over 20,000 rolls of plastic sheeting and nearly 170 generators

-- Treating more than 2,900 individuals through FEMA Disaster Medical Assistance Teams, supporting damaged hospitals

That, of course, was for a Republican State, with a Republican governor, the crony brother of the President. Republicans needed to act like they cared about governing, because they wanted people to vote for them three months later.

But now, with no election looming and with death stalking a Democratic State with a Democratic Governor unrelated to the President, we once again see the Reagan philosophy held ascendant. Bush's call to action? "Send cash to the Red Cross." One of those "thousand points of light" non-governmental organizations his father told us about.

As Brian Gurney, a listener from California, noted: "You can't govern if you don't believe in government."

But you sure can make a buck, and take care of your brother, your campaign manager, and your vice president's company.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:47 AM
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Sounds like your arguing for Communism comrade. I noticed that you left one thing out of your argument--that being the LOUISIANA DEMOCRAT RUN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ITS COMPLETE FAILURE.

From the Democrat governor to the Democrat mayor of New Orleans--one failure after another.

As Democrat Mayor Nagin (D) stared out at the HUNDREDS of empty school buses--he wondered how he could evacuate all the helpless people in his city.

As Democrat House Representative William Jefferson (D) was trying to get his $90,000 of bribe money out of his freezer--he wondered who was saving all the other democrat's bribe money.

Liberals could build a city on top of an active volcano--and then whine when it erupts.

Mayor Nagin--the most incompetent mayor in history perhaps--was re-elected--showing how intelligent the people of New Orleans are.

Because of this--when the next hurricane comes--let them drown--the average IQ of the entire US will jump up.
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Old 11-18-2007, 10:18 AM
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Sounds like your arguing for Communism comrade. I noticed that you left one thing out of your argument--that being the LOUISIANA DEMOCRAT RUN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ITS COMPLETE FAILURE.

From the Democrat governor to the Democrat mayor of New Orleans--one failure after another.

As Democrat Mayor Nagin (D) stared out at the HUNDREDS of empty school buses--he wondered how he could evacuate all the helpless people in his city.

As Democrat House Representative William Jefferson (D) was trying to get his $90,000 of bribe money out of his freezer--he wondered who was saving all the other democrat's bribe money.

Liberals could build a city on top of an active volcano--and then whine when it erupts.

Mayor Nagin--the most incompetent mayor in history perhaps--was re-elected--showing how intelligent the people of New Orleans are.

Because of this--when the next hurricane comes--let them drown--the average IQ of the entire US will jump up.
I wonder where you live. Odds are good that you will find water to be a scarce resource. Will you proclaim, "I'm stupid so I deserve to not have enough water"? Or will you demand that the government do something to provide you with water.

Or odds are good that you live someplace where you property is likely to be flooded. Will you then proclaim, "I'm stupid so I deserve to have the rising sea levels take my property"?
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:06 AM
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Sounds like your arguing for Communism comrade. I noticed that you left one thing out of your argument--that being the LOUISIANA DEMOCRAT RUN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ITS COMPLETE FAILURE.

From the Democrat governor to the Democrat mayor of New Orleans--one failure after another.

As Democrat Mayor Nagin (D) stared out at the HUNDREDS of empty school buses--he wondered how he could evacuate all the helpless people in his city.

As Democrat House Representative William Jefferson (D) was trying to get his $90,000 of bribe money out of his freezer--he wondered who was saving all the other democrat's bribe money.

Liberals could build a city on top of an active volcano--and then whine when it erupts.

Mayor Nagin--the most incompetent mayor in history perhaps--was re-elected--showing how intelligent the people of New Orleans are.

Because of this--when the next hurricane comes--let them drown--the average IQ of the entire US will jump up.

The Republican Party at one time controled all three branches of the federal government -- executive, judiciary and both houses of Congress. If things are screwed up, most of us know exactly where to place the responsibility. The problem with Republicans is not their commitment to winning; it is their inability to govern effectively.

From Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, right on through to Lee Atwater, Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove and the Bush crime family, one of the outstanding characteristics of the modern Republican Party is its commitment to winning at all costs. While Agnew was distorting the truth about the media, Nixon was busy distorting the electoral process. The next generation of GOP winners went from distortion to out and out fabrication.

The Bush lies about John McCain in the 2000 South Carolina Republican primary; Republicans questioning the patriotism of triple-amputee Vietnam veteran Democratic Sen. Max Cleland in the 2002 Georgia senatorial campaign; and the Bush Swift-Boaters lying about John Kerry's Vietnam War record were just the latest in a long line of GOP lies designed to prove beyond question the Republican commitment to winning.

Commitment isn't their problem. The problem is Republicans continually run their mouths about balanced budgets while the biggest deficits in American history have been rung up by the last three Republican presidents -- Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. (Look it up.) Democrat Bill Clinton achieved the last surplus and balanced budget. He achieved that by increasing taxes on the wealthy. Republican conservatives screamed socialism and warned that Clinton's policies would lead to both inflation and recession. Instead, we had eight years of growth, a balanced budget and eventually budget surpluses. I have yet to hear one right-winger apologize for their incorrect prognostications.

That is not the worst of it. Modern Republicans love illegal wars. With Reagan we had Iran-Contra, Grenada and supporting right-wing thugs in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. While George H.W. Bush got it right by getting congressional approval before attacking Iraq, he illegally invaded Panama to arrest his old CIA and drug-running buddy, Manuel Noriega. There is no need to go into the foreign-policy disasters of George W. Bush. Most of us are painfully aware.
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:44 AM
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I wonder where you live. Odds are good that you will find water to be a scarce resource. Will you proclaim, "I'm stupid so I deserve to not have enough water"? Or will you demand that the government do something to provide you with water.

Or odds are good that you live someplace where you property is likely to be flooded. Will you then proclaim, "I'm stupid so I deserve to have the rising sea levels take my property"?
You left out an optin Mulp--what if I live in a bowl--and the EVIL government warns me to evacuate or die--and I choose to stay and drown--if thats what someone FREELY CHOOSES--then yes they are the definition of STUPID!

But its nice to know tax dollars (my wallet) are being sent to New Orleans to rebuild THEIR HOMES--hopefully just in time for the next hurricane--so democrats can once again show their incompetence at handling anything.

"We gonna make Noo Orleens a chokolate city"--Mayor School Bus Nagin (D)
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You left out an optin Mulp--what if I live in a bowl--and the EVIL government warns me to evacuate or die--and I choose to stay and drown--if thats what someone FREELY CHOOSES--then yes they are the definition of STUPID!

But its nice to know tax dollars (my wallet) are being sent to New Orleans to rebuild THEIR HOMES--hopefully just in time for the next hurricane--so democrats can once again show their incompetence at handling anything.

"We gonna make Noo Orleens a chokolate city"--Mayor School Bus Nagin (D)
Do you mind American tax dollars being ripped off and bilked by the billions of dollars,which are supposed to going to rebuild Iraq, but instead these Republican Corporate Defense Contractor are pocketing this money. Hell Republicans can't even account for over 9 billion dollars that have gone missing in Iraq!!! Talking about calling the Kettle Black!
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Do you mind American tax dollars being ripped off and bilked by the billions of dollars,which are supposed to going to rebuild Iraq, but instead these Republican Corporate Defense Contractor are pocketing this money. Hell Republicans can't even account for over 9 billion dollars that have gone missing in Iraq!!! Talking about calling the Kettle Black!
And yet Democrats keep voting to spend even more money there, after promising to cut it off. Go figure.
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And yet Democrats keep voting to spend even more money there, after promising to cut it off. Go figure.
Yeah I know, the voters needed to send 10 more Democrates to the Senate in 2006 to replace Republican senate seats, to off set the Bush Veto Pen.

Dems have a slim majority in the Congress. The Dems are not getting help from the moderate Republicans votes to cut off the spending. Republicans in the Senate are voting lock step not cut off the spending and when you factor in the Bush veto pen.....this explains why the founding continues.
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Do you mind American tax dollars being ripped off and bilked by the billions of dollars,which are supposed to going to rebuild Iraq, but instead these Republican Corporate Defense Contractor are pocketing this money. Hell Republicans can't even account for over 9 billion dollars that have gone missing in Iraq!!! Talking about calling the Kettle Black!
Libs make it too easy LOL--considering your whining about 9 Billion missing on a war that has cost 500 Billion--Im sure the excerpt below will bring tears to your eyes.

"Federal contracts for rebuilding and recovery have also been marked by scandal, fraud and abuse. An August 2006 study by the office of Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., identified 19 contracts worth $8.75 billion that experienced "significant overcharges, wasteful spending or mismanagement."

Only its not IRAQ--its the liberal utopia of Louisiana--So out of the 120 BILLION devoted to rebuilding after Katrina--9 Billion is already wasted away. I hope someone is keeping an eye on Democrat William Jefferson (D)--I heard he bought a wide capacity freezer recently.

Whats worse--to use money to try and create a beacon of freedom and democracy in Iraq--OR--spending money to rebuild cities like New Orleans--a city that will be destroyed again--its only a matter of time.
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Yeah I know, the voters needed to send 10 more Democrates to the Senate in 2006 to replace Republican senate seats, to off set the Bush Veto Pen.

Dems have a slim majority in the Congress. The Dems are not getting help from the moderate Republicans votes to cut off the spending. Republicans in the Senate are voting lock step not cut off the spending and when you factor in the Bush veto pen.....this explains why the founding continues.
Nah, can't do that. Then they would be required to find another excuse, for doing nothing. Granted excuses are their stock in trade, but finding new ones is a little above their ability.
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