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    Thumbs down Obama Care fucks the Middle Class. Rich & Poor do fine.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...njVB48DYLXhRDK



    The president has spent the closing days of the health-care debate making his case to the segments of Americans who will benefit under ObamaCare. But lots of other people will be squeezed under the scheme -- and not the rich folks that President Obama singles out in his stump speeches, but families who are decidedly middle class.

    Health reform will leave many of them newly priced out of a transformed market for health insurance.

    The hardest hit won't be those earning more than $250,000 a year -- the group that he says needs to "pay their fair share." Rather, it's families whose combined annual income is around $100,000 who could be crushed under this plan.

    These folks will be too "rich" to qualify for ObamaCare's subsidies, but probably too poor to easily afford the pricey insurance that the president's plan forces them to buy.

    Many of these $100K families will be obliged to buy a policy costing an average of $14,700 for the mid-level, "silver" health plan, according to the Congressional Budget Office's estimates. After income taxes, they'll be spending almost a quarter of their net income for health insurance.

    How can these families make out so badly under ObamaCare? The plan does two things to refashion the market for health insurance and inadvertently stacks it against these middle-class earners.

    First, it limits most consumers to choosing only one of three basic health plans. (These will offer the same basic package of health benefits -- the main difference is that the higher-premium plan has lower co-pays, while the lower-premium one has higher co-payments.) And even the cheapest option -- the "bronze" plan -- will start at about $12,500 for a family, says the CBO.

    People buying insurance outside the workplace won't be able to shop around to find cheaper options: ObamaCare effectively outlaws that, because the president wants everyone to have the same package of generous benefits. It's a noble ideal -- but it forces people to buy coverage that may be pricier than what they need, want or can afford.

    The individual-insurance market -- which now lets you go to "ehealth.com" and buy a policy directly from Aetna or Wellpoint -- will shut down almost immediately: The regulations ObamaCare puts on the private individual-policy market will simply leave it unable to compete with the new state-based insurance exchanges that the reform creates.

    Next, ObamaCare creates powerful financial incentives for employers to drop coverage -- paying a small fee to "dump" employees on the exchange. Because of the new subsidies, the savings -- to the employer and most employees -- will be substantial.

    The financial incentives for employers to move workers into the exchanges are most powerful when it comes to middle-income wage earners. Here's an example:

    To buy that mid-level, "silver" health plan, the tax code effectively subsidizes a family earning $42,000 a year to the tune of about $5,500 for employer-provided coverage. But in the exchange, they'd get a direct government subsidy in 2016 of $12,100. The exchange is clearly a better deal.

    But, again, the subsidies phase out, so that a family earning around $100,000 loses out: Because they won't get insurance through work, they'll lose the tax-code subsidy for insurance -- but they'll get no subsidy to buy the mandated expensive policy.

    Yes, $100,000 a year allows a nice living in most of America (if not Manhattan). But it's the income of a real-estate broker married to a limo driver -- not of the affluent folks that the president has said will bear the brunt of any financial burdens from reform. Many of these middle-class families will probably opt to pay the federal fine, and go without health insurance until they get sick.
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    I hate to tell you this, liberals... But the "rich" got away AGAIN!

    Instead, Obama's going to screw over the middle class.

    How do you feel about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhoffa_X View Post
    I hate to tell you this, liberals... But the "rich" got away AGAIN!
    BUHAHA...............Eat shit, broke dicks.........

    By the way, the poor never do fine....that's why they're poor..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhoffa_X View Post
    I hate to tell you this, liberals... But the "rich" got away AGAIN!

    Instead, Obama's going to screw over the middle class.

    How do you feel about that?
    THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS BEEN SHRINKING FOR A DECADE...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhoffa_X View Post
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...njVB48DYLXhRDK



    The president has spent the closing days of the health-care debate making his case to the segments of Americans who will benefit under ObamaCare. But lots of other people will be squeezed under the scheme -- and not the rich folks that President Obama singles out in his stump speeches, but families who are decidedly middle class.

    Health reform will leave many of them newly priced out of a transformed market for health insurance.

    The hardest hit won't be those earning more than $250,000 a year -- the group that he says needs to "pay their fair share." Rather, it's families whose combined annual income is around $100,000 who could be crushed under this plan.

    These folks will be too "rich" to qualify for ObamaCare's subsidies, but probably too poor to easily afford the pricey insurance that the president's plan forces them to buy.

    Many of these $100K families will be obliged to buy a policy costing an average of $14,700 for the mid-level, "silver" health plan, according to the Congressional Budget Office's estimates. After income taxes, they'll be spending almost a quarter of their net income for health insurance.

    How can these families make out so badly under ObamaCare? The plan does two things to refashion the market for health insurance and inadvertently stacks it against these middle-class earners.

    First, it limits most consumers to choosing only one of three basic health plans. (These will offer the same basic package of health benefits -- the main difference is that the higher-premium plan has lower co-pays, while the lower-premium one has higher co-payments.) And even the cheapest option -- the "bronze" plan -- will start at about $12,500 for a family, says the CBO.

    People buying insurance outside the workplace won't be able to shop around to find cheaper options: ObamaCare effectively outlaws that, because the president wants everyone to have the same package of generous benefits. It's a noble ideal -- but it forces people to buy coverage that may be pricier than what they need, want or can afford.

    The individual-insurance market -- which now lets you go to "ehealth.com" and buy a policy directly from Aetna or Wellpoint -- will shut down almost immediately: The regulations ObamaCare puts on the private individual-policy market will simply leave it unable to compete with the new state-based insurance exchanges that the reform creates.

    Next, ObamaCare creates powerful financial incentives for employers to drop coverage -- paying a small fee to "dump" employees on the exchange. Because of the new subsidies, the savings -- to the employer and most employees -- will be substantial.

    The financial incentives for employers to move workers into the exchanges are most powerful when it comes to middle-income wage earners. Here's an example:

    To buy that mid-level, "silver" health plan, the tax code effectively subsidizes a family earning $42,000 a year to the tune of about $5,500 for employer-provided coverage. But in the exchange, they'd get a direct government subsidy in 2016 of $12,100. The exchange is clearly a better deal.

    But, again, the subsidies phase out, so that a family earning around $100,000 loses out: Because they won't get insurance through work, they'll lose the tax-code subsidy for insurance -- but they'll get no subsidy to buy the mandated expensive policy.

    Yes, $100,000 a year allows a nice living in most of America (if not Manhattan). But it's the income of a real-estate broker married to a limo driver -- not of the affluent folks that the president has said will bear the brunt of any financial burdens from reform. Many of these middle-class families will probably opt to pay the federal fine, and go without health insurance until they get sick.
    Bullshit!!!!

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11050

    Read it and shut the fuck up...
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    From your link..

    TANNER: "Don't count on your insurance premiums going down. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the bills do little or nothing to reduce insurance premiums. For millions of Americans, the Senate bill will actually make things worse, increasing insurance premiums by 10%-13% for Americans who buy their insurance through the non-group market, that is those who don't receive insurance from their employer. Those increases are over and above the increases that would occur if we did nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhoffa_X View Post
    From your link..
    That 10 to 13 percent are business owners and the rich... dickhead... Read the entire article....

    The rise in premiums will only affect individuals making 90k a year and up....

    And families are double that number....

    Stop posting bullshit from fox new on toilet paper...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhoffa_X View Post
    From your link..
    HEALTHCARE COSTS AND INSURANCE PREMIUMS HAVE BE RISING IN EXCESS OF INFLATION FOR 30 YEARS..
    AT THE SAME TIME CEO SALARIES HAVE TRIPLED AND US WORKERS INCOME HAS BEEN STUCK AT 1975 DOLLARS.

    THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT AMERICAN WORKERS ARE 20% MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT 4 WORKERS CAN NOW DO THE WORK OF FIVE..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinjotakemura View Post
    That 10 to 13 percent are business owners and the rich... dickhead... Read the entire article....

    The rise in premiums will only affect individuals making 90k a year and up....

    And families are double that number....

    Stop posting bullshit from fox new on toilet paper...

    Oh, fuck.. This is from last year and they're still talking about the "Public Option"

    You're Not Getting any of that..

    * If you make more than $88,000 a year and are dropped from a corporate plan, you will have to pay the full cost of private insurance or pay a fine.

    * There is a chance your premiums will go up. It depends on how private insurers react to the legislation — their premiums will not be regulated by the government, only those sold through marketplaces.

    TANNER: "Some currently popular insurance options may no longer be available. Health-savings accounts would be almost eliminated and Flexible Spending Accounts cut back."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu3 View Post
    HEALTHCARE COSTS AND INSURANCE PREMIUMS HAVE BE RISING IN EXCESS OF INFLATION FOR 30 YEARS..
    Yes, they have.. Only subsidies make that possible.

    It's a losing game, though.. They're pricing themselves out of the market. Boomers are going in the red column soon, and the young are too smart to play a rigged game.

    So, they're going to prop the prices up with a forced subsidy and call it "Universal Health Care"
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