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Originally Posted by jacob
Very good dom. And in that day ALLLLLLLLLLLL nations will rise against Israel. This is nothing new to people who know the TRUTH, as I'm sure you know. All nations includes the US. And woe to them in that day when the Lord returns with His tens of thousands of His righteous army to destroy satans army, and he will be bound for 1,000 years. This is not WW3, but rather a continuation of Gods plan to fulfill His promise. Wars are named by man. Regardless of what people think or would like to have happen, God made a promise in the book of Genesis. God CANNOT lie, or reneg on a promise. He initiated the promise. That means it was His idea from the beginning, and He is the author and finisher. The suggestion that God makes to mankind is the same suggestion He made in Genesis: GET IN THE ARK BEFORE THE FLOOD. The ark now being Jesus. Period, end of story, argueing won't change anything. God is more concerned with your eternal life than He is with this temporal planet.
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There is no salvation outside Christ. Only through Jesus can men be saved -- Acts 4:2 Jesus is the way, the only way -- John 14:6 There IS NO SPECIAL FAVOR TOWARD PHYSICAL ISRAEL. Lineage means nothing to God. -- Luke 3:8. The most important thing is your heart, not physical lineage or circumcision -- Romans 2:28-29. Jews have been just as guilty of sin as Gentiles -- Romans 3:9-10. THE SAME GOSPEL SAVES BOTH JEW AND GREEK(GENTILE) -- Romans 1:6.
JEWS AND GENTILES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO ONE BODY, reconciled into one body -- Eph. 2:11-18. THERE IS ONLY ONE "BODY",not two, not the Church of Christ and Israel -- Eph. 4:4. That ONE BODY is the Church -- Eph. 1:22-23. THERE IS EQUALITY IN THAT ONE BODY. All were condemned for sin Jew and Gentile alike, so that belief in the Christ could be the standard -- Galatians -- 3:22.
THE LAW THAT CREATED THE PHYSICAL NATION OF ISRAEL (the Biblical Israel) was to last ONLY UNTIL the seed should come -- Gal. 3:19. That SEED was Jesus -- Galatians 3:16. NOW IN CHRIST JESUS WE ALL ARE "ONE" BOTH "JEW" AND "GENTILE" in one body and that one body is the Church that Christ purchased with his blood -- Gal. 3:25-28. Thus the PROMISES MADE TO THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD are being fulfilled as the church is NOW the Chosen people a "SPIRITUAL ISRAEL", which Christ now sets in reign of -- Acts 2:29-36. Thus,"And if ye be Christ's, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." -- Gal. 3:29.
Physical Israel...the Israel of the Bible was broken NEVER TO BE WHOLE AGAIN, Jeremiah said that after the nation of Israel was broken (destroyed at the end of 1st century AD) it would NEVER be made whole again, "THUS SAYS THE LORD OF HOSTS. "EVEN SO I WILL BREAK THIS PEOPLE AND THIS CITY, AS ONE BREAKS A POTTERS VESSEL, WHICH CANNOT BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN, AND THEY SHALL BURY THEM IN TOPHET TILL THERE IS NO PLACE TO BURY THEM." -- Jer. 19:11. The Physical kingdom of Israel would not rise from the ashes of its destruction. Instead the kingdom ruled by the Messiah would be different. Jesus made the same prophecy, "THEREFORE I SAY TO YOU, THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU AND GIVEN TO A NATION BEARING THE FRUITS OF IT." -- Matthew 21:43. And the Pharisees new this prophecy was about them -- Matthew 21:45.
DID PAUL REALLY SAY THAT THE PHYSICAL NATION OF ISRAEL WOULD BE SAVED? No, Paul makes it clear that only a part of Israel would be saved, as he was living proof that some would be saved (though the church) -- Romans 11:1. Paul said that God has always had a faithful CORE of people -- Rom. 11:2-4. And that tradition has continued until the time of Paul -- Rom. 11:5-7. Notice next that the ELECT NOW HAS GOD'S GRACE OR FAVOR. And just who are the ELECT? It is the Christian nation (spiritual Israel) that is the elect -- 1 Peter 1:1-2, Col. 3:12, ll Tim 2:10. Thus, THE REMNANT of physical Israel (the ones that accepted the Christ) ARE PART OF THOSE THAT BECAME THE ELECTION OF GOD in the church. In fact, the gospel was COMMANDED TO BE PREACHED FIRST TO "ISRAEL", and Jesus did just that until he was put to death, as he preached of the kingdom to come, and that it would come before this generation was out, as some that was standing there would see it come, "Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." -- Mark 9:1. And they did, when The Apostles were filled with the power of God in the upper room (Baptized in the Holy Ghost) -- Acts 2:1-4. Then Peter used the Keys to the Kingdom that Christ had given him -- Matthew 16:19, "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
The keys was used to open the door to the kingdom of God....the Church that Christ purchased with his blood, as Peter preached the very first CHRISTIAN SERMON AND TOLD THE PEOPLE "EXACTLY" WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO ENTER THAT KINGDOM -- Acts 2:38-41.
The fall of the "majority" not All of Israel was necessary in order to allow the Gentiles to enter the KINGDOM -- Rom. 11:8-11. But if their fall was hard, their return, should it happen and accept the Christ as Messiah, will be all that more glorious -- Rom 11:12-15.
Notice the allegory of the "BRANCHES". Some, not all of the branches were broken off -- Rom. 11:16-18. THEY WERE BROKEN OFF BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF IN THE CHRIST AS "MESSIAH" -- Rom. 11:19-20. God said that he would treat the Natural branches (the remnant Jews) and the Grafted branches (the gentiles) "EQUALLY" -- Rom. 11: 21-24. Thus, unbelief brings removal, and "BELIEF" brings REINSTATEMENT, even to the Jews, should they believe. THE MYSTERY IS EVEN THE FALLEN JEWS CAN STILL BE SAVED, SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO BELIEVE -- Rom 11:25-27.
Paul says that even though they are our enemies (those that did not believe), but concerning the Election they still can be saved, for they have a common bond....God, as He will graft them in again, IF THEY BUT BELIEVE -- Rom 11:28. Paul goes on to say that Gods gifts are given equally. They cannot be revoked for One Group -- Rom 11: 29. Paul said that God condemned All, both Jew and Gentile under sin so that ALL could be shown mercy in the same fashion, a belief in the Christ -- Rom. 11: 30-32.
Thus Paul said that not all Jews were lost at the changing of the Covenant, because some through faith in Christ were saved. The fall of the majority showed their sins and allowed God to show equal treatment (a chance at salvation and forgiveness of that sin by repenting and accepting Christ) by accepting those that did believe whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
NOWHERE DOES PAUL REGULATE THIS SALVATION OF THE JEWS TO SOME FUTURE DATE IN THE DISTANT FUTURE (its exactly the same, EQUAL, for both Jew and Gentile, all they have to do is ACCEPT CHRIST). NOR DOES HE SAY THAT THEIR SALVATION (the Jews that did not accept Christ) was connected to the SECOND COMING OF THE CHRIST.
NOWHERE DOES HE SAY THAT THEIR CONVERSION WOULD BE TOTAL...THE ENTIRE NATION OF ISRAEL. HE DOES STATE THEIR CONVERSION IS DEPENDENT UPON A BELIEF OF CHRIST.
NOWHERE DOES PAUL STATE THAT GOD WILL IGNORE THE CHRISTIAN NATION AND AND FOCUS ONLY THE JEWS.
Can the nation that now calls itself ISRAEL BE SAVED? Yes of course, by exactly the same method that everyone is saved, "But after that faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (the Old Testament). For ye are ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. For as many of you that has been baptized into Christ have PUT ON CHRIST. THERE IS NEITHER "JEW' NOR "GREEK" there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE "ABRAHAM'S SEED" and "HEIRS" ACCORDING TO THE "PROMISE". -- Gal. 3:25-29.
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