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Old 09-25-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Is AhmadineJad Really The "New Hitler"-or Just A Wolf Crying in The Wilderness?

International newspapers are saying that Iranian president, Mahmud Ahmadinejad succeeded at the National Press Club via video conferencing, and at Columbiia University in scoring major political points amongst muslim public opinion worldwide, in painting the Bush administration as "warmongering" hegemones.

Ahmadinejad carefully crafted himself to appear to be a hero to the Arab middle east, by just accepting the speaking invitation at Columbia university, turning on his fake charm, standing up to Western arrogance, and defending the rights of the Palestininians. Ahmadinejad was called Hitler, terrorist, homophobic, and every other thing some audience members, and news reporters could think of. All the while, Ahmadinejad strategically deflected America's anger towards him by smiling before the news media cameras, and talking softly.

"We oppose the way the US government tries to rule the world"; there are "more humane methods of establishing peace", stated Ahmadinejad. He then stated that no Iranian weapons are flowing into Iraq, and then said that regional countries in the Middle East did not need outside interference from the West. He also stated that it was Iran's legal right as a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency , to conduct a legal and peaceful nuclear program, without having to depend on another nation. Ahmadinejad further stated that International law was equal to everyone, and that the United States and France's saber rattling did not entail the entire world.

Ahmadinejad then went on to state that Iran did not recognize Israel's right to exist, called it a discriminatory regime, occupier, and expansionist-then accused Israel of attacking Syria on September 6, 2007, and Lebanon last year. Most of the Middle East agrees with Ahmadinejad's accusations against Israel. Ahmadinejad then admitted that the holocaust might have taken place, but that more research on it should be conducted. (Many people are saying that the holocaust did take place, but that the present people occupying Israel are not the Jews or descendents of the Jews who were tortured in the holocaust, but are the ones who did the torturing, and are Khazars pretending to be Jews. Many people are calling for DNA testing to be done on these [male] Jews outside of Western authority and influence. If they are truly Jews, then I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with this request) Ahmadinejad further stated that Palestinians shouldn't have to pay a price in blood for something that happened to these European Jews on the European continent. And, again, even an overwhelming majority of Europeans agree with this, too.
Ahmadinejad went on to state that he never said he wanted Israel wiped off the face of the earth, and was only quoting the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, in the hopes that the unfair Israeli regime would be replaced by one that would be willing to be fair and just to the Palestinians. He denied ever threatening to nuke Israel, and claimed that the "warmonger West" had incited this theory. Ahmadinejad denied being a state sponsor of terorism, and accused the Bush administration of using war as a tool for electoral purposes in America, and to serve as a cover for the policy failure in Iraq.
Then, to make America look even more arrogant, and condescending, news media sources showed Columbia University president, Lee Bollinger flagrantly disrespect Ahmadinejad, (who is a head of state, regardless if we like it or not), calling Ahmadinejad evil (which might be true), and degrading him as much as he could. People around the world responded by saying that if Bush were treated with such disrespect, it would not go without punishment. Ahmadinejad took Bollinger's comments in stride, and then stressed that Iran was friendly with Israel, and that over 30,000 Jews lived peacefully in Israel. He then stressed again, that the Palestinians shouldn't have to pay the price for what happened to the European Jews in Europe, and then presented a humanitarian proposal to bring about solving the Palestinian/Israeli problem, by suggesting a referendum where Palestinians would be able to choose their own political destiny. Then Ahmadinejad casually stated that Iran didn't really need a nuclear bomb, but was basically persuing a nuclear program in defiance of the West. Ahmadinejad stated again that the Western powers did not have a monopoly on science and knowledge, and that his nation was a sovereign nation that had the right to decide whether it needed nuclear fuel or not, without having to be dependent on the Western nations for it.

Ahmadinejad then went on to state that Iran was a victim of terrorism by the Bush administration controlled Mujahideen-e-khalq, which had formally been controlled by Saddam.

When Ahmadinejad was questioned by audience members about homosexuals inside of Iran being put to death for being homosexual, and the abuse of Iranian women, etc., he just brushed off these statments by comparing the execution of homosexuals to the death penalty in America, and claiming that the homosexuals were drug smugglers. In reality, the execution of homosexuals by Iran can be compared to the execution of homosexuals by Adolf Hitler during WWII-in other words, war crimes against humanity. Columbia University students didn't bother addressing Irans failed economic policies, Iran's political and military relations with Saudi Arabia, and Russia concerning future wars, or how far along Iran is with its nuclear program (they might already have obtained a nuclear weapon, etc.). Instead, Columbia University students asked meager questions, and lashed out in anger at Ahmadinejad. In return, Ahmadinejad kept his cool, smiled in a fake manner at the news media cameras continually, and then stated that Iran was willing and ready to negotiate with all countries.
Meanwhile, American news media sources casually diverted attention away from Columbia Unversity and Ahmadinejad, by covering the General Motors strike, and every once in a while throwing in a few words about George W. Bush's military service, and accusations of going AWOL.

Now, tell me, do you really believe all the soft political bullshit that Ahmadinejad shoveled out to the Columbia University audience? Do you really think that Ahmadinejad's Iranian nation is a victim of terrorism? Do you think the Jews that are residing in Iran are really living in peace and safety, or do you think they are being persecuted in some instances, and that many are either being silent and seen as little as possible, or trying to get out of Iran? And, do you really give a flying fuck about who lives in Israel and where? Should there be two separate states in Israel, or should Palestinians, Jews, and everyone else be made to live side by side, and live and work in harmony to create a peaceful and prosperous nation for all people living everywhere in Israel? Are you sick to death of hearing about the Palestinian/Jewish squabble in the Middle East, and does one group have more of a right to the land of Israel than the other. Didn't God make the entire world? So, how come Israel is more holy than the rest of the world? Could it be because of its strategic location between the continents of Africa, Asia and Europe? Or maybe because of the Potash that is worth potentially trillions of dollars? What do you think should be done about the war mess in Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan to bring about a peaceful and fair solution for all involved? And, should Iran be bombed down, or should the Bush administration use deplomacy in dealing with Iran, and seek a regime change in Iran?
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:17 PM
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I think Israel has 800 Nuclear Weapons and regularly attacks it's neighbors. Anyone in the MidEast would want several nuclears weapons to deter Israel.
Why doesn't Bush ask Israel to give up it's nuclear advantage (provided bythe USA) in exchange for our protection and less biased use of force?

Because Bush is an Extremeist Fundamentalist Religious Nut himself.

As Pat Buchanan said Sunday on Meet The Press, Iran has made several attempts to open negotiation with the USA and Bush has rejected them all.

Bush preferrs to dictate ultimatiums rather than talk.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:28 PM
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*plugs ears*

LA LA LA LA LA! I CANT HEAR YOU! LA LA LA LA LA!

This is grand strategy for many americans! We ares sMART!
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Old 09-25-2007, 01:02 PM
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I think Israel has 800 Nuclear Weapons and regularly attacks it's neighbors. Anyone in the MidEast would want several nuclears weapons to deter Israel.
Why doesn't Bush ask Israel to give up it's nuclear advantage (provided bythe USA) in exchange for our protection and less biased use of force?

Because Bush is an Extremeist Fundamentalist Religious Nut himself.

As Pat Buchanan said Sunday on Meet The Press, Iran has made several attempts to open negotiation with the USA and Bush has rejected them all.

Bush preferrs to dictate ultimatiums rather than talk.
When Israel gets attacked you claim it is their fault then also, right?

Give up their nuclear advantage (which was NOT provided by the US) in exchange for our protection? WTF??? The US didn't provide Israel with a "nuclear advantage", the French actually helped them with building their reactors.

The sanctions against Iran have been in place since 1979 and no President has lifted the sanctions - first step in an open dialogue. There are reasons for this.
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Old 09-25-2007, 01:14 PM
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Keep in mind I have no problem with us talking with Iran, but it would not be on a footing that pretends they are not a leading sponsor of terrorists and have been for some time. Of course, they wouldn't acknowledge that.
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:22 PM
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Keep in mind I have no problem with us talking with Iran, but it would not be on a footing that pretends they are not a leading sponsor of terrorists and have been for some time. Of course, they wouldn't acknowledge that.
Shall we talk to them keeping up the pretense that the US isn't a state sponsor of terrorism? Wouldn't that be a bit difficult given the record of state sponsored terrorism in Iraq by the terrorist CIA organization in overthrowing a democracy in Iran and installing a brutal dictator that imprisoned, tortured, and killed those who sought a return to democracy in Iran.

And how many governments has Iran toppled since the restoration of a democratic Islamic Republic in December 1979 compared to the number of governments the US has toppled in that time?

And how many times has Iran openly supported and defended against charges of the war crimes of using prohibited chemical weapons against nations attacking and invading the US?

Or do you consider the US supporting and defending Saddam ordering an Iraqi attack without provocation and invasion of Iran, and using chemical weapons in that eight year war to be in the spirit of American ideals?

How about in the spirit of Republican Party ideals?

And do you think that it was wrong for Iran to seek the extradition of the Shah so he could be tried for crimes against the people of Iran just as Saddam was recently tried for crimes against the people of Iraq? Was it wrong for the US to invade Panama just to extradite its president, Noriega, and try him for drug crimes?

For you to make the statement you have, you are either
- ignorant of history
- totally without any principles at all willing to say anything to wield power
- a moral, ethical, and/or political relativist with your values changing to achieve the outcome you want.
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:24 PM
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I wonder how many posters pretending to be American citizens are actually Al Queda operatives? Some posters certainly appear to be as anti American as anyone I have ever run across
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:34 PM
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How could Ahmadinejad be the new Hitler? Hitler had the most powerful army in the world. Now the U.S. has the most powerful army in the world. Bush is the only one in the running for the title.
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:37 PM
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When Israel gets attacked you claim it is their fault then also, right?

Give up their nuclear advantage (which was NOT provided by the US) in exchange for our protection? WTF??? The US didn't provide Israel with a "nuclear advantage", the French actually helped them with building their reactors.

The sanctions against Iran have been in place since 1979 and no President has lifted the sanctions - first step in an open dialogue. There are reasons for this.
There are???

Would you please list them, and cite sources, please. As far as I know, Reagan instituted sanctions against Iran because he was allying the US with Saddam because Saddam had ordered Iraq to attack Iran and occupy Iran's oil fields and water ways.

What is confusing is why then VP Bush didn't institute sanctions against the Kuwaitis when Saddam ordered Iraq to invade and occupy Kuwait's oil fields and ports.

Why support one attempted invasion, but not support a successful invasion?

And Saddam did run his plan to invade Kuwait by the Bush administration and they didn't object, saying that what happened in the Persian Gulf was a "local matter." Bush did apparently have second thoughts, so he did ask the Saudis what they thought of Saddam's suggestion that he was planning to invade Kuwait, especially given the Iraqi army massing on the Kuwaiti border. Why Bush didn't ask Saddam what he was planning, or better yet, simply send Saddam a message like "That Iraqi army on the Kuwait border better not enter Kuwait or you will suffer the consequences."

If anything, that is a really good example why leaders of nations need to talk directly with each other to make their positions clear.

Both Bush's method of talking indirectly and and refusing to listen to what leaders like Saddam are saying has taken the US into several unnecessary wars. And the only reason I'm hopeful that Bush won't take us into yet more wars is that his administration of the US military has ensured that they can't possibly handle another war without abandoning one or more of the others.
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:41 PM
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Ahmadinejad reminds me of the PeeWee Herman of the middle east. He and Hugo Chavez are front and center stage every time the UN members gather.

Get over it.

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