Bush and Gay Marriage . . .

George O Well · #1 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 01:50 PM

"President Bush says he is "proud to stand with" those who support a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. Many Republicans say traditional marriage strengthens society. Many Democrats say the amendment is a divisive concession to religious conservatives." -CNN.com

>>>This particular Democrat says the amendment is cop-out to avoid the real issues of the day. This is bullsh*t, George. Get real.

Btw, I don't care much for gay marriage either, George. Just that there are 100 Americans and Iraqis dieing everyday you fart around with this 'gay marriage' crap.

robster · #2 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 04:07 PM

yep he does because he admits he doesn't want to focus on the real issues and get blamed for the very lies he has made, he might consider himself as a great Houdini of the time.

Sam · #3 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 06:00 PM

I was just listening to jazz on NPR when they broke in with bush's speech today on gays. They say it will take the senate over a week to debate this. Lets see we have a raging war...unprecedented deficit....energy crisis.....our troops are now at increased risk because of the bad behavior of a few....healthcare crisis.....immigration....

I could go on but you get the picture, our leader is distracting the sheep with the gay issue and tying up the senate floor. This is a really sad day for America.

dredloct · #4 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 06:26 PM

Bush and his backers of this prejudice, fall back on the sacred institution of marriage as the reason to constitutionally outlaw same-sex marriages. I propose that the "institution of marriage" is not what these Bible thumpers would like you to believe.
According to the 2002 Census Bureau report..
"The National Center for Health Statistics recently released a report which found that 43 percent of first marriages end in separation or divorce within 15 years."
The National Crime Statistics Report, 1993, said...
"Domestic Violence occurs in 60% of marriages and is the most underreported crime."
"90% of battered women reported that their children were present when they were beaten."
Abuse and neglect of American Children has increased 134% since 1980.
Now back to the Census Bureau...
"In 1999, 41% of all first births were born to premarital parents"
The statistics keep going and going.
Whatever happened to "ALL men are created equal"?

Sam · #5 (**permalink**) 06-06-2006, 11:06 AM

Last nights Fox news spent the entire evening on another white murdered raped girl and Bush's gay amendment. No mention of inflation, energy, the war, the troops. last month being the highest record of deaths for troops and civilians, the growing unrest of formerly supportive Iraqis, Katrina, hurricane season, healthcare,the borders,nuclear proliferation, n. korea, china....About every 15 minutes I would tune in and the spinmeisters were having a field day with their rape, murder and Bush's gay focus.

What a strange government we have. Are you sure 29% of the people really do support him. I do not believe there are that many dumb people in the United States.

Oh and by the way for those of you really interested in non partisan reality Okhams referral to the Brookings Istitution statistics is worth reading. I copied all 56 pages and have read it each evening and it is probably the only non partisan purely factual document I have seen.

Thanks Okham..we need intellectuals like you on this forum.

robster · #6 (**permalink**) 06-06-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dredloct

Bush and his backers of this prejudice, fall back on the sacred institution of marriage as the reason to constitutionally outlaw same-sex marriages. I propose that the "institution of marriage" is not what these Bible thumpers would like you to believe.
According to the 2002 Census Bureau report..
"The National Center for Health Statistics recently released a report which found that 43 percent of first marriages end in separation or divorce within 15 years."
The National Crime Statistics Report, 1993, said...
"Domestic occurs in 60% of marriages and is the most underreported crime."
"90% of battered women reported that their children were present when they were beaten."
Abuse and neglect of American Children has increased 134% since 1980.
Now back to the Census Bureau...
"In 1999, 41% of all first births were born to premarital parents"
The statistics keep going and going.
Whatever happened to "ALL men are created equal"?

I have never agreed with statistics but actual truth and fact. Secondly I would like to mention that 'gay's are now equal?' I don't like the way bush is tieing up the senate floor either but I don't believe the gays should be treated in the same regard as other people because I feel they are not in their right mind-set. You don't see animals that are gay, neither should children see opposite reuniting with opposite . Immorality and prejudice I feel should always mix so we have a seperation of morality in this Country. Bush is not going to let this issue slip and that is where he is wrong because he is focusing on the wrong things, do you enjoy this issue Dredloct, are you a concerned citizen?

dredloct · #7 (**permalink**) 06-07-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by robster

I have never agreed with statistics but actual truth and fact.

Ummm....I believe you.
You sound like Stephen Colbert without the sarcasm.
The truth and fact of the matter is that marriage is not what these "enforcers of morality" make it out to be. How long has it been since we had arranged marriages? You don't believe many, many marriages end in divorce?

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Secondly I would like to mention that 'gay's are now equal?'

OH MY GOD!!
Go find me a switch!
J/k...Dude!
"All men are created equal"
"All men are created equal"
"All men are created equal"

It's black and white (no pun intended). This is discrimination. How can it not be when you deprive one class of citizen from the same benefits another class has? It will lose, any form of discrimination in this country eventually does. That's what makes us the best nation on earth. Women's suffrage. The civil rights movement to end segregation. The right for blacks to vote. Why do you think this is any different?

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I don't like the way bush is tieing up the senate floor either but I don't believe the gays should be treated in the same regard as other people because I feel they are not in their right mind-set. You don't see animals that are gay, neither should children see opposite reuniting with opposite

I'm glad you see the diversionary aspects of this issue. Funny how it only comes up in even numbered years, huh?
Not in their right mind set? I wonder how Dick (head) Cheney feels about that. I bet he would give you his opinion after he drinks the blood of puppies. Oh speaking of puppies...

Ostriches are fags! And so are orangutans. And dolphins.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...gayanimal.html

Does National Geographic promote the homosexual agenda too?

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Immorality and prejudice I feel should always mix so we have a seperation of morality in this Country.

Sig heil!
Are you kidding me? Who decides morality? You? George Bush? You know who I think should legislate morality? The dudes with the John Deere hat on, eating Ramen noodles, drinking Busch beer and watching NASCAR in a trailer with a wobbly rail on the porch.
Oh wait, I forgot that this country was founded on prejudice and the seperation of morality.

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do you enjoy this issue Dredloct, are you a concerned citizen?

Hehe.
*scoots a little closer to Robster*
Does this issue make you uncomfortable? Does it make you feel icky? Does it make you think of the times you used to dress up in your mom's clothes?
I don't enjoy this issue at all. I think that denying citizens rights that others have is a direct contradiction to the Constitution.

This is not a debate of whether gays getting married will destroy the "sanctity of marriage". It's whether gays are a lower class citizen than heterosexuals.
How does gay people legally prolcaiming their love for each other affect your life?

robster · #8 (**permalink**) 06-07-2006, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dredloct

Ummm....I believe you.
You sound like Stephen Colbert without the sarcasm.
The truth and fact of the matter is that marriage is not what these "enforcers of morality" make it out to be. How long has it been since we had arranged marriages? You don't believe many, many marriages end in divorce?

OH MY GOD!!
Go find me a switch!
J/k...Dude!
"All men are created equal"
"All men are created equal"
"All men are created equal"

It's black and white (no pun intended). This is discrimination. How can it not be when you deprive one class of citizen from the same benefits another class has? It will lose, any form of discrimination in this country eventually does. That's what makes us the best nation on earth. Women's suffrage. The civil rights movement to end segregation. The right for blacks to vote. Why do you think this is any different?

I'm glad you see the diversionary aspects of this issue. Funny how it only comes up in even numbered years, huh?
Not in their right mind set? I wonder how Dick (head) Cheney feels about that. I bet he would give you his opinion after he drinks the of puppies. Oh speaking of puppies...

Ostriches are fags! And so are orangutans. And dolphins.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...gayanimal.html

Does National Geographic promote the homosexual agenda too?

Sig heil!
Are you kidding me? Who decides morality? You? George Bush? You know who I think should legislate morality? The dudes with the John Deere hat on, eating Ramen noodles, drinking Busch beer and watching NASCAR in a trailer with a wobbly rail on the porch.
Oh wait, I forgot that this country was founded on prejudice and the seperation of morality.

Hehe.
*scoots a little closer to Robster*
Does this issue make you uncomfortable? Does it make you feel icky? Does it make you think of the times you used to dress up in your mom's clothes?
I don't enjoy this issue at all. I think that denying citizens rights that others have is a direct contradiction to the Constitution.

This is not a debate of whether gays getting married will destroy the "sanctity of marriage". It's whether gays are a lower class citizen than heterosexuals.
How does gay people legally prolcaiming their love for each other affect your life?

Thanks for pointing out the obvious when mentioning 'All Men where created equal' Maybe so but the constitution never mentioned gays did it? Will it ever? Why do they have to be equal for you.. did you ever ask them why they want to be equal? Maybe they want to be different then what you would suggest. I don't watch National Geographic, it doesn't educate me because all I hear is a boring old professor speak non sense like theology and talk about animals running around on the screen. So that answers another one of your little questions. Do you have national geographic on? Are you watching two animals from the opposite ?

dredloct · #9 (**permalink**) 06-07-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by robster

Thanks for pointing out the obvious when mentioning 'All Men where created equal' Maybe so but the constitution never mentioned gays did it? Will it ever? Why do they have to be equal for you.. did you ever ask them why they want to be equal? Maybe they want to be different then what you would suggest. I don't watch National Geographic, it doesn't educate me because all I hear is a boring old professor speak non sense like theology and talk about animals running around on the screen. So that answers another one of your little questions. Do you have national geographic on? Are you watching two animals from the opposite?

Ummm..
How old are you?
Isn't All Men, an absolute?
All men would include gay men, without having to expressly say gay men.
As far as will the constitution ever mention gays, it just might if your boy Bush gets his way.
I think that it's safe to assume that everyone wants equal rights. You're not arguing that are you? Whether or not all gays want to get married or not is irrelevant. They should have the options every other American has.
Um, not to be a dick or anything, but if you are going to spout facts about there being no gay animals you probably shouldn't denounce clear evidence to the contrary on the grounds of the professor being "boring" and "old".
You say that National Geographic doesn't educate you, does anything?
Yeah, I got NG on right now. I like the boobs. I have to sit through all the boring old professors nonsensical ramblings of theology and gay animals so I can see boobs. Of course with all this homophobia rampant on your posts your probably not into boobs either, huh?

robster · #10 (**permalink**) 06-08-2006, 06:36 PM

So how is this getting to the point of my uality huh? Homophobia... maybe I fear that our country is getting into to this a little too fast so yes I fear of being gay? Do you? I love the way you point strategically my little flaws in my posts... does it make you a better person knowing at the end of the day that you tryed to comment me on my philosphy of life? Again... you seem to go back to this... is it just me or do you agree with everything I said? Anyhow at the end of the day (like i said in other posts at the end of the day I will still know whats right and whats wrong) Do not question my uality because this is not about uality. I have never questioned your uality, but maybe I should. NG does not educate me but I think you are educating me on how to loose morals and knowlege on uality? If thats what life is about well than I feel sorry for you.