I agree with you 100% on this Okham!

I don't particularly care for gay marriage either, but it might help to keep them off the streets and out of the bath houses at night, eh? An it might shut 'em the f up.

You can say what you want and blame it on the "Religous Right", but personally I am in the Religous Middle. I don't approve of homosexuality and I think that it is a moral sin. Thats my belief and that won't change. Having said that, I think that the Marriage Amendment isn't about banning same sex marriages, I think its about keeping things in control. I know you Libertarians out there will say that the fed govt needs to keep their nose out of it and that its a state issue. Well, its not. If I get married in Virginia, that marriage is recognized in the entire US. If a gay couple gets married in Mass, then that marriage would be recognized in the entire usa even though the majority of the people in my state voted against gay marriage. does that seen right to the states that do not want gay marriage? I understand that this country was founded on the belief that there should be no discrimination and I do agree. However, there are certain institutions that need to be preserved and I feel that marriage is one of those. If the state of Utah passed laws saying that poligamy is OK, then would the other states have to recognize a Utah marriage? This is where the delima occurs. Its is gay marriage, but it is also polygamy.

And to answer one of the above posts, I was not comparing gay marriage to beastiality, I was just pointing out where a few people could bastardize this whole thing and blow it out of proportion.

I think that I agree with some people and say that an ammendment to the constitution isn't something that we need, but I would also say that my state shouldn't have to recognize a gay marriage, if the state votes not to.

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I would rather hunt with Cheney than drive with a Kennedy !!!

When have "a few people" ever been able to force their values on others in this country? If there is this much resistance to getting equal rights for homosexuals, what on earth makes you think it's going to go any further than that, even if a very small minority wish it to be so?

This is hysterical hyperbole.

I know it's tough to get around your particular moral sensibilities... But it's a constitutional founding philosophy that all men are created equal, regardless of what your personal beliefs are. As it says in the DOI, our inalienable rights include, life, liberty and... (say it with me now)... the pursuit of happiness. Since is generally considered an institution that promotes happiness and well being, who are you to say they can't do it? Are you one of those, "I only believe in those things for me and mah kind?"

Let's take a look at the other side of this slippery slope... Since marriage ends in divorce (yeah, you moralists are doin' a bang up job of protecting the institution so far), 50% of the time... what's the next step in protecting your precious institution? Outlawing divorce... ? Where, as you put it.. "a few" could force their moral views on 300 million people.

There are two sides to every issue (at least), the solution is found in the middle, where there are no slippery slopes.

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"does it make you a better person knowing at the end of the day that you tryed to comment me on my philosphy of life?"

>>>You poor little VICTIM, you. But I know that playing the victim is the Republican way these days.

When have "a few people" ever been able to force their values on others in this country? you ask? Thats typical coming from a Liberal. Its the minority in this country that have made most of the changes in society. Most good (voting right for non-whites and women) but some bad (welfare). If you were to ask the majority (we are a democracy) they would agree to ban same sex marriage, or at least thats what the polls say.

And as the 50% of marriages end in divorce, you are correct. This problem with the break down of the home and family have only come about in the last 20 years or so. The percentage was much less 20 years ago.

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I would rather hunt with Cheney than drive with a Kennedy !!!

Perhaps, but this is not 20 years ago, and it never will be again. I'll see if I can find some hostorical data on that.

I'm not Liberal thank you. If you need proof, look at the "Gun Control, truth intead..." thread. My views range widely from issue to issue. Please do not infer you label on me. Thanx

As far as your examples, sure if you break it down to the minority groups involved and only them. But there were plenty of folks outside of the minority that supported their position. So on a broader scale of opinion and the overall majority party in power, no... the will of the few rarely gets forced on the many. And just a point of fact, we are a republic, not a democracy. Democracy is the ability of the majority to force it's will on the the minority. Republics... well... look it up.

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I'm in agreement with Dredloct , and I'll explain why . I myself am a minority member . I'm a young adult with a severe learning - disability . I've been made fun of , called names , and have been discriminated against , all my life ! I'm tired of it ! I want to be equal , too ! I'm tired of being different , I want to be the SAME ! I've got a gay cousin , and an african - american friend who'se religious practice is Islam , and we get along just fine ! U.S. citizens who are gay , transgendered , african - american , asian - american , native - american , jewish - americans of the hebrew faith , and so on . etcetera , as the King of Siam would say , deserve to be treated like thei first - class citizens that they really and truly are ! Our divorce - rate for hetero - sexual Americans is up over 60% ! Their minority counterparts provide love and stable homes as well ! Close - minded , fearful conservatives need to take a page from books written by Indira Ghandi , Dr . Martin - Luther - King , Cesar - Chavez , I could go on all night ! Gay and transgendered people can now marry legally in Hawaii , Oregon , my homestate of Massachusetts , which by the way , has the second - largest population of gay and transgendered americans outside of Vermont and New - Hampshire , and Vermont ! Watch the movie " The Birdcage " , and their are several shows that are nationallly televised about gay and transgendered people ! The writing is on the wall , folks ! A gay - marriage ban isn't going to happen ! Too much progress has been made , for us to turn back the clock now . Onward and upward ! We're all human - beings , and should honor , respect , and treat each other accordingly ! Conservatives need to get a clue , and a life ! If anyone/anybody is going to hell , it's the conservatives !

Welcome to AWE Julie. If you have a severe learning disability, I would have never known had you not informed us so.

I agree, with your statement. The only thing I can add (and I've said it before), homosexuals do not want to destroy the institution of marriage, but simply join it. They do not seek to undermine family values but strengthen them (gay folks have kids to).

It's the rights SOP to disregard the position of the opposition on any and EVERY topic, and infer their own interpretation of it bases on nothing more than fear (it'll destroy __blank___) and vilification (they're perverting ___blank___, insert any issue).

Christians by their nature want a members only club lock on values. Sorry, this is America (not the U.S.C.), move over and make room. But they won't, they want it known that if you wanna stay in "their country", you've gotta join the club. Not any old club, their specific brand of Christian club. That's not to say that all Christians hold this view, but the loudest ones seem to.

Huh, I wound up saying more than I had planned to... again. sigh

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I would say that if a Christian didn't hold a view that homosexuality is a moral sin and shouldn't be accepted, then I would say they are not a true Christian at all.

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I would rather hunt with Cheney than drive with a Kennedy !!!