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Old 05-15-2008, 05:45 PM
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Again, you are wrong. This is what I typed in the previous post I think Marriage is a religious ceremony and this violates the separation of church and state that does "NOT" exist in the first amendment.
My point is, Homos use the first amendment to attack Christianity or as you call it "Govt. sponsored religion" hence, it can be used to ban Gay marriage based on the appearance that marriage is a "Govt. sponsored mandated religious ceremony"
You need to make up your fucking mind. In one thread you say its a state issue, but here you argue its a federal issue. As with every issue you address you are all over the fucking map. Lost without a compass.

California has joined Mass. in allowing same sex marriages. Get used to it.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:53 PM
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Good now they can face the same community property laws as stright people.





California's top court overturns gay marriage ban - Yahoo! News
That would be only fair.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:56 PM
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This is a group of Judges saying the voters decision does not count.
The Judicial branch of Govt. can NOT make laws, only the Legislative branch can make laws.
This will be overturned in the USSC and these California Judges should be impeached for violating the US Constitution.


No, they have recognized that it is unconstitutional to deprive a group of law-abiding, tax-paying citizens their equal rights as did Prop 22. They did their job...reviewed a bad law...and threw it out. They did NOT make a law, they threw a bad law out.

It's called Judicial Review.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:59 PM
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How does it effect anyone
Married Gays can dodge higher income taxes by filing jointly.
As do straight couples.
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They can qualify for Spousal benefits, Social Security, employee benefits etc...
As do straight couples.

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The divorce courts will be burdened with more cases, costing the taxpayers more money.
You mean like already happens for straight couples? With gays helping foot the bill for something they have no access to?

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The purpose of the benefits of marriage were to promote reproduction.
Show us the law where it is manditory for married couples to reproduce. Show us the law where it is manditory for those reproducing to be married.

Hint: Those laws do not exist. Therefore your argument is nothing.

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Finally, marriage is a religious ceremony established by the Govt., this would violate the first amendment.
The biggest falsity of all. Marriage can be religious and it can be legal...it can be both. It does not have to be religious to be legal and it does not have to be legal to be religious.

And...many religions already perform gay marriages.

Your argument has more holes in it than lacey swiss cheese.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:28 PM
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First of all you do not even live in a democracy, its a Republic. Now go look up the difference. Maybe you will understand.
I understand that I live in a Republic that uses Democracy to elect it's officials, pass bills into laws etc...... but you are dodging the point here.
The people of CA. "VOTED" to ban Gay marriage.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:28 PM
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Lets have an example there Mulp. Something that will prevent gays from facing the same community property laws as other Californians.
Filing Federal income and inheritance tax. They are prohibited from using the joint filing, which eliminates in the case of a partner who is truely dependent, say a blind partner with lots of medical bills and no income, being counted toward the deductions for the one with assets and income.

And if one spouse in a gay marriage dies, the spouse is not allowed to inherit tax deferred as a is true for mixed marriages. The Federal government would not recoginize the community property of California as community property, so if a couple split and the property was divided according to California law, the Federal government would rule that the effective transfer would be a gift, and subject to tax. Alimony would be consider a gift which would not only be subject to income tax but also subject to gift tax.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:41 PM
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I could careless about religion, why make those comments?
Of course, I'm very stupid but it appears marriage was conceived by the Catholic church about 1,500 years ago. I know, there are many sources for the history of marriage and many are skewed now to fit the Homo's agenda.
I never said that marriage was covered by the first amendment. I will say I think Marriage is a religious ceremony and this violates the separation of church and state that does NOT exist in the first amendment.
If Homos are going to use the first amendment to attack Christianity, why can't it be used to attack the Homo's access to marriage?

Can I expect an intelligent reply?
But Christianity supports gay marriage: Gene Robinson is an ordained bishop or something for the US version of the Church of England which is the English version of THE Christian Church.

So, gay marriage isn't an attack on Christianity, but an attack on radical Islam. So, if you are against gay marriage, that puts you with Osama bin Laden and Addredejnigadhamididge.

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Old 05-15-2008, 06:45 PM
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I'm not sure what you base your doubts on but a panel of Judges throwing out a decision made by the voters of California sounds like a good case for the USSC to intervene and restore Democracy.
This is ridiculous
If the majority of voters voted to take away your citizenship and sell as a slave in Saudi Arabia, you consider that the valid will of the people?
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:48 PM
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bodecea,

Why do you think single taxpayer's pay higher taxes than married filing jointly?
Answer: Lower taxes are used to encourage reproduction and this applies to all benefits of being married. Once again, REPRODUCTION.
I could go further and say Homo marriage should open the door to lower taxes for single taxpayers or higher taxes for married couples, either way, we need equality for single taxpayers.

The contract of marriage is to provide stability for reproduction and a divorce settlement is similar. There would be no Homos if not for reproduction.

With the origin of marriage being religious and the Govt recognizes this religious ceremony in the form of Social Security spousal benefits, this goes against the Homo's claim of the first amendment establishes the separation of church and state.

The bottom line: The people of CA. VOTED to ban Gay marriage.
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I understand that I live in a Republic that uses Democracy to elect it's officials, pass bills into laws etc...... but you are dodging the point here.
The people of CA. "VOTED" to ban Gay marriage.
They voted to ban illegal immigration also. Look were that went, and it wasn't even done by a group of judges.


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Filing Federal income and inheritance tax. They are prohibited from using the joint filing, which eliminates in the case of a partner who is truely dependent, say a blind partner with lots of medical bills and no income, being counted toward the deductions for the one with assets and income.

And if one spouse in a gay marriage dies, the spouse is not allowed to inherit tax deferred as a is true for mixed marriages. The Federal government would not recoginize the community property of California as community property, so if a couple split and the property was divided according to California law, the Federal government would rule that the effective transfer would be a gift, and subject to tax. Alimony would be consider a gift which would not only be subject to income tax but also subject to gift tax.
Sorry, Mulp, you are confussing federal with state. The federal govt. could rule almost anything, but they haven't yet. In fact, I'll bet you couldn't get 4 out of 10 federal tax auditors to rule the same way on any given case. How is Mass. handling it?

But you still have not listed one thing passed by Bush, or his administration, that prohibits them from sharing in community property.
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