A 'Straight" question...

Jboss321 · #21 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Loa

Ho-boy, I'm not going to argue with a religious person. It's not like you can challenge the opinion of someone who believes in a holy book with crap like "facts" and "evidence". Experience has taught me so.

Biological children of homosexuals are no different from any others. The possibility is there, and it has no drawbacks. For what reason, other than the opinion of that funny, bearded guy up there in the skies, should it not be done?

I'm not religious, Loa, religion is a dirty word to the World, as it should be. I'm not a very good Christian either, but I do know the truth, ...as I beleive the truth to be.

wolf_22 · #22 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jboss321

It was by master design, one Man and one Woman, have the God given capability to procreate. Homosexuals have nothing but science to help them, it was never designed, or meant for them to have children.

perhaps this conversation would go better if we took religion out of the equation.

wow · #23 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Loa

Ho-boy, I'm not going to argue with a religious person. It's not like you can challenge the opinion of someone who believes in a holy book with crap like "facts" and "evidence". Experience has taught me so.

Biological children of homosexuals are no different from any others. The possibility is there, and it has no drawbacks. For what reason, other than the opinion of that funny, bearded guy up there in the skies, should it not be done?

I can see a child being tortured with the pressure of being a Homo, even though, they want a Heterosexual relationship.
These children will be forced into Homo anal sex and will be mentally scared for the rest of their life.

Loa · #24 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

I can see a child being tortured with the pressure of being a Homo, even though, they want a Heterosexual relationship.
These children will be forced into Homo anal sex and will be mentally scared for the rest of their life.

Most homosexuals who have adopted children want them to be heterosexual so that they won't have to endure the needless ridicule and unjust that society would put them through.

Jboss321 · #25 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

perhaps this conversation would go better if we took religion out of the equation.

Wolf, without the 'religious' aspect, there is no need for ths conversation at all. There would be no reason to discuss one's belief in what is wrong or right.
People would do anything they wanted, recklessly, and without thought for accountability. Like teenagers partying in a house knowing the parents are never coming home.
I beleive all humans have a sense of right and wrong, non beleivers just think it was a trait that evolved with mankind from the primordial soup. I beleive it was given to us, to have a somewhat decent society that respects its neighbors.

A world without any belief in a higher power, would not be a world you would want live in.

A. Crowley · #26 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 02:37 PM

JBob speaks...

Say's nothing.

Jboss321 · #27 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by A. Crowley

JBob speaks...

Say's nothing.

Look who's talking, LMAO! Didn't mean to steal your thunder there, Alister.

Jboss321 · #28 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 02:53 PM

I guess I found the answer to my original thread question. It's an interesting read.

conversion therapy: Information and Much More from Answers.com

How's that for substance Crowley?

wolf_22 · #29 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jboss321

Wolf, without the 'religious' aspect, there is no need for ths conversation at all. There would be no reason to discuss one's belief in what is wrong or right.
People would do anything they wanted, recklessly, and without thought for accountability. Like teenagers partying in a house knowing the parents are never coming home.
I beleive all humans have a sense of right and wrong, non beleivers just think it was a trait that evolved with mankind from the primordial soup. I beleive it was given to us, to have a somewhat decent society that respects its neighbors.

A world without any belief in a higher power, would not be a world you would want live in.

There are a number of atheist moralists. perhaps you should read some to see their take.

I just meant that we can't debate the religious aspect. if someone says 'my religion believes....' thats fine. but no one will be able to them they are wrong. the conversation will go no where.
same as when someone says something that goes against a religion- citing religion won't change their minds.
I think it might also be wise if we mention some of the ethical (non-religious right and wrong), scientific, and legal issues involved. those are fairly easy topics to discuss.

I can personally say I do believe in Jesus but don't follow any organized religion. I'm bisexual and think God made me who I am and endores all forms of consenual, healthy love.
I wouldn't alter myself, nor would I alter any non-heterosexual fetues I may carry.

pjwky · #30 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jboss321

I was discussing the 'gay' issue with my office manager today, she (like myself) believes that the fruities and man haters, have been here since people have been having sex, and they're aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. So I put forth a question (more correctly, an idea!), that I've never heard a study about... bear with me, I'm being serious.
If a straight Man and Straight Wife, have a child that begins to exhibit Homosexual behaviour, can hormone therapy be used to correct the problem? Before you jump on me, saying it's not a "problem", think about it as if it were.
If there was a vaccine for the treatment of pedophilea (or some other abnormal behaviour we all could agree on as being abnormal), would society want it administered?
Simply put, if we could get rid of the gay issue, by simple hormone therapy, why aren't we doing it? If a child see's the world in black and white, and there was technology that could allow him or her to see in color, wouldn't we want them to see in color? The color blind child doesn't think he needs to see in color, because it's all he's ever known. If he starts seeing in color, he'll wonder why he ever had to live in 'Black and White'.

I know I can be a simpleton hillbilly, but I'm genuinely looking for a discussion about this, not hatefull responses.

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"Jboss", it is not as simple as hormone therapy: and yes, hormone therapy has been tried at various different ages with both sexes.

I'll take you at your word when you ask for a "genuine discussion" and "not hatefull responses": but good luck, this issue seems to draw out some terrible fears & very hatefull words by some less then knowledgeable people.

As best we know right now, I believe the vast body of reliable & accepted literature on this subject indicates that:
*****1) sexuality is not an "on or off" issue: its a continum from one pole to the other. So you have multiple variations of homosexual, bisexual & heterosexual development on this continum: once physically established, at or shortly after birth, it is not changable. (On can dye blond hair, but once blond that trait can not be changed.)
*****2) Genetics certainly palys a large part; several different gene groups have been identified that play a large role in sexual identity development: sexual identy is then established in the specific brain structures.
*****3) in addition to the genetic ratio, it is also known that the ratio between several "intra-uterine" hormones plays a large role on the infant's brain development in the areas responsible for sexual identity & sexual preoccupation.
*****4) of course after birth, society & family play a large role in the external actions of any individual: but to date, there has been no successful treatments for such a condition if it falls on the deep end of the continum that is exclussively homosexual.

The University of Michigan has dones some very solid genetic studies on this issue: the University of California at San Diego has also contributed: Jonas Salk published on some of the brain structure differences between hetero & homo sexual people. If you really want to understand it much better then I can explain, there is a great book called "Real Boys" by a Harvard Professor (forget his name): he has a great chapter that is easy to read in this book summarizing what is known about this issue.

In short, medical science knows just about as much about how homosexuality occurs in individuals as it does about where diabetes, or blue eyes, or most other unique factors come from. ...pjwky