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Old 05-12-2008, 12:07 AM
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there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body. thats a fucking stupid metaphor for whats going on. Obviously transsexuality is not nature but entirely nurture. It requires a complex awareness of a gender dynamics before someone can not feel like their own gender. How could a body evolve in any evolutionary context to dislike its own body? That such bullshit. Also the rate of sexual abuse amongst transsexuals is almost a direct correlation.
Seriously, are you people just turning around whenever you see my posts to make sure you don't read what they say?

It's a physical condition, a birth defect if you will. The sex of the brain, which happens to be the most important sex characteristic, does not match the sex of the body. It happens due to stress-related hormonal changes in the mother. Children are often aware of this to some degree at very young age. Transsexuals often show subtle, but still abnormally prevalent physical traits of the other sex even before any kind of treatment.

Is that clear enough, or is it still just some mental illness caused by abuse?

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Old 05-12-2008, 02:35 AM
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Study Shows: abuse.
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:58 AM
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I've never seen anything like that, care to link me to one?
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Old 05-12-2008, 04:24 AM
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I've never seen anything like that, care to link me to one?
yeah please!
and while you are at it. go watch the specials on trans kids where there is no abuse. where they come from great, nuclear families.
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:51 AM
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Its all nurture, its pure suggestion. You reward a child for acting feminine it may later in life come to the conclusion that its a woman in a man's body. look up your own fucking research, this shit is easy to google.
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:24 AM
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I did, and almost all of it agreed with me.

Besides, your argument is flawed, as there are many excessively masculine MtFs and excessively feminine FtMs.

Male =/= Masculine
Female =/= Feminine


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I'm really curious now. Even when I specifically googled "transsexuality relation to abuse", I found pretty much nothing supporting your claim.

I'll also quote something I did find:

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Authors show that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behavior, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals.

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Old 05-14-2008, 09:59 AM
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Transexual. A word I think of many words making.

TRAN is name of vietnamese to come from for the boy. TRAN is name of the Koreas to come from for a sir naming or last naming.

Sex is big term with lots of distance to many things. Wide broad term can be bad can be good can be in middle ways.

UAL is what?
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Old 05-14-2008, 10:06 AM
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I've never seen anything like that, care to link me to one?
So you are declaring that this "mixed" up male now physically has more than "ONE" example of the "Y" and "X" chromosome? If not, just how can anyone prove exactly what effect some hormone had upon any gestating child, which by the way according to feminine Nazi studies IS NOT a human life? If that little bit of logic holds true, just how can this non living organism go through "any" physical changes.....ITS NOT ALIVE, therefore there can be NO DEVELOPMENT while in the womb. SIMPLY AMAZING....is it not? The circular reasoning I mean. BD

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So you are declaring that this "mixed" up male now physically has more than "ONE" example of the "Y" and "X" chromosome? If not, just how can anyone prove exactly what effect some hormone had upon any gestating child, which by the way according to feminine Nazi studies IS NOT a human life? If that little bit of logic holds true, just how can this non living organism go through "any" physical changes.....ITS NOT ALIVE, therefore there can be NO DEVELOPMENT while in the womb. SIMPLY AMAZING....is it not? The circular reasoning I mean. BD
dude. not everything is about abortion. let it go. or go to the other board.

we don't know if transgenderd people are trasngendered because of the womb, the foods we give pregnant women, genetic issues, or anything else.

we do know that almost all know they are in the wrong gender from a very young age. we do know that abuse is not correlated in almost every major, public case. and we do know they live happier, sucessful lives when they transition to their mental sex.
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:47 PM
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So you are declaring that this "mixed" up male now physically has more than "ONE" example of the "Y" and "X" chromosome? If not, just how can anyone prove exactly what effect some hormone had upon any gestating child, which by the way according to feminine Nazi studies IS NOT a human life? If that little bit of logic holds true, just how can this non living organism go through "any" physical changes.....ITS NOT ALIVE, therefore there can be NO DEVELOPMENT while in the womb. SIMPLY AMAZING....is it not? The circular reasoning I mean. BD
First of all, keep abortion out of this discussion. You've got it all wrong anyway.

Second, you claim I said something that I never said. Having more than two chromosomes is a completely different kind of intersex condition.

I'll quote again what I quoted too:

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Authors show that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behavior, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals.
If that's not proof enough that it's an actual physical condition to you, then you're just playing dumb. I assume you're playing, at least.

As for what causes it, most sources seem to suggest that it's a hormonal imbalance during the development of the brain.
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