Transsexuality

A. Crowley · #11 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

I see this as no different from people that opt for elective surgery, boob job, lipo etc....
These people are insecure to a point of illness.

Say's the forum troll who is forced to post an endless stream on lies and inanity with a hope that nobody will notice his irrellevance.

wolf_22 · #12 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 07:49 PM

I don't know why its caused, but I do think that these people are genuine.
for some odd reason their mind and brain is generated toward one gender but physically they are a different sex.

I've watched the specials with transgendered kids. this is something that starts before most concepts of gender and sex are even known even in a vague sense- much less established. and from what I've seen, the people (children and adult alike) who begin to transition are mentally healthier than those who do not.

I have no real issue with people finding a place to be happy with who they are and have their mental concept of gender match their physical appearance of sex.

Suburbanite · #13 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 08:16 PM

would you have sex with one?

bluedog · #14 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Loa

Good, I was hoping for something like this.

First of all, it's not a mental disorder but a physical disorder, strange as it may sound to some. A kind of intersex condition, in fact. As you might know, the brain is what determines your gender, not your genitalia. Essentially, transsexuals are people born with the brain of one sex and the body of the other. This creates a whole lot of mess. GID (Gender Identity Disorder) is what it's called. You probably understand that it's much simpler to change your body than to change your brain, and as such that's the solution for most.

In other words, an FtM (female to male), for example, isn't a woman who wants to be male, but a man who wants to be male.

It has nothing to do with a masculine and feminine side. Nothing at all. Nor is it related to sexual orientation, while we're at it. An MtF (male to female) can easily be very masculine, and a lesbian. Likewise, an FtM can be gay and exceedingly feminine.

As for sex change operations, they're often necessary because the brain disagrees with what's already there. People with GID often have "phantom limb" sensations, in that they can feel what's supposed to be there but isn't there, just like someone who has lost an arm or a leg. The brain knows what its body should be like.

The reason why this is a problem at all is the dysphoria that invariably follows. Suicide rates are high, and most are depressed to some degree. The whole sex change process is there to lessen the dysphoria and let people live their lives the way they feel they're supposed to.

Also... Here are a couple of transsexuals for you.

Note how blatantly clear and obvious it is that they weren't born with their current sexes.

Yeah right, the mind has nothing to do in directing the will of any person? Or detecting a phantom limb, that is non existent....right? What a load of horse shit. Only from the mind of a secular humanist, can every sexual perversion be a product of physical circumstance, as if any person does not have the capacity of "choice". What they lack is the mental capacity to overcome their perverted lust, a mental deficiency, much like the addicted gambler or someone addicted to the adrenal rush of extreme sports, or even combat. The mind controls all aspects of the human body from the involuntary life support of vital organs to reflex actions of an eye blink. There is such a responsibility as "PERSONAL", to give in to any abnormal activity indeed is a lack of will power.

But this can be addressed, I know from the personal experience of being an adrenaline junky due to the rush of combat exposure and then being suddenly thrust back into a so called "normal" society. I constantly placed not only myself but even close family members into extreme danger, just for the release of adrenaline. When one is exposed to a heightened state of readiness 24/7 for weeks to months on end with the adrenalin level that accompanies such, it can and does become addictive. And when placed back into non hostile surroundings the adrenal gland feels deprived and even physical illness can result if there is no release. What was first diagnosed as PTSD and "panic" attacks were later found to be a product of the physical need of adrenalin. I would go for as long as I could and suddenly be overtaken with an uncontrollable urge to be placed into a dangerous situation, like extreme speeds or being exposed to any dangerous activity that might release the stored adrenalin that was actually making my body sick. I came to realize that I had a "mental" problem when my wife was with me in an automobile when the rush overcame me, as she was in the floor begging for me to slow, but I could not until the stored adrenalin was released, and it often would take a very close encounter with death to bring this about. Needless to say, that was my "ex spouse", and that also I have taken full responsibility, as she just could not cope with the sudden mood swings and sleepless nights. But with the proper mental conditioning this was readily overcome by allowing alternative sources to release this needed adrenalin sensation rush, through chemically induced episodes, gradually placing both the mind and body back into the proper proportional circumstances of daily life. There is nothing that can not be overcome, IF THERE IS A WILL FOR SUCH CHANGE. I have no sympathy, for anyone that does not address their own responsibilities, but tries to project their problems onto everyone and everything with the exception of where it belongs...THEMSELVES. There is nothing fair and equal about this life, we only glean from it what we are willing to place into it. BD

wolf_22 · #15 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

would you have sex with one?

not sure who you are addressing, but I'll answer this for the hell of it.

its not anything I'd particulary work at doing- not a personal, sexual goal of mine.
but If I fell for someone who was transgendered I wouldn't have a problem with it. I think the only issue would be kids because I hate the idea of having to go to doctors to conceive.(but considering how high infertility rates are it could happen to me even if the person isn't trans)

Loa · #16 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:25 AM

It has nothing to do with will, BD, it's a matter of correcting what nature did wrong.

wow · #17 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 07:45 AM

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It has nothing to do with will, BD, it's a matter of correcting what nature did wrong.

I was born a Lesbian in a male body. I do not feel like nature did anything wrong and I feel no need to change my identity.

sachem · #18 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wow

I was born a Lesbian in a male body. I do not feel like nature did anything wrong and I feel no need to change my identity.

See, aren't things better when you can accept who you are?

Loa · #19 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 07:59 AM

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I was born a Lesbian in a male body. I do not feel like nature did anything wrong and I feel no need to change my identity.

You really are clueless, aren't you.

Alright, I assume you're a man attracted to females. That's nice and all. You're not a lesbian, you're a straight man. If you were a lesbian, you'd have a brain wired for a female body, which it seems very unlikely that you have.

In other words, your body fits your identity, and as such there is no conflict.

Also, again, transsexuals are not gay people who change their genitals so that they can get sex more easily. Just in case that's what you think.

Loa · #20 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bluedog

Yeah right, the mind has nothing to do in directing the will of any person? Or detecting a phantom limb, that is non existent....right? What a load of horse shit. Only from the mind of a secular humanist, can every sexual perversion be a product of physical circumstance, as if any person does not have the capacity of "choice". What they lack is the mental capacity to overcome their perverted lust, a mental deficiency, much like the addicted gambler or someone addicted to the adrenal rush of extreme sports, or even combat. The mind controls all aspects of the human body from the involuntary life support of vital organs to reflex actions of an eye blink. There is such a responsibility as "PERSONAL", to give in to any abnormal activity indeed is a lack of will power.

In what way is a female's wish to be muscular, have a beard and a flat chest related to perverted lust and addiction?