Sam in Europe

Dom1 · #11 (**permalink**) 09-12-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I have not really experienced anti Americanism anywhere.

Neither have I, except on this forum . . .

Sam · #12 (**permalink**) 09-12-2006, 12:53 PM

I am having fun conversing while I cook so I will be back and forth on the computer. Who dom do you feel is Un American?

Dom1 · #13 (**permalink**) 09-12-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I am having fun conversing while I cook so I will be back and forth on the computer. Who dom do you feel is Un American?

I don't know if it is unAmerican as much as it is anti-American in some cases. It may sound the same to most sane people, but many only like America when "their guy" is in charge. I'll admit that I haven't been involved in a lot of forums in which the two main parties were represented, but I have been in between 6-8 of them. This is the only forum that when a terrorists attack is stopped that instead of saying this is a good thing, many will automatically say it is because of political reasons. It is almost like some people are wanting terrorists to hit America again so they can point to Bush and say he is responsible. There is no doubt that some people want bad things to happen so they can point the finger at our president. Wouldn't that be anti-American? Many people on here care more about their party than about their country. You can view it any way you want, but I do view it that way. I won't point out the people, but it should be obvious who some of the people I am talking about are.

Go look at secret prisons. People go and rant about Bush and his human rights violations. When they had a chance to blame Bush and blame America, they chose to jump at the chance. When it is shown that rendition basically started under Clinton and the outsourcing of torture started under Clinton then people are quiet. Even a thing like torture is a partisan issue to some rather than a human rights issue. Real priorities, huh? Maybe this isn't a case of being unAmerican, just a case of partisan politics being the most important thing.

Maybe if I have time tonight I will expand on this, because I can't believe some can't see they are doing it. They may claim to be "for the people", but in reality they are only for some of them.

Sam · #14 (**permalink**) 09-12-2006, 02:11 PM

This is a good topic and you raise good points that could be applied to members of both parties. In the same spirit not necessarily on Anti Americanism one point I have noticed is people get locked into "their" party and have unwaivoring support. I think because I have voted both parties I try to look at each issue. For example when I think of Clinton the "anti" clinton crowd gets into the entire Lewinsky scandel. I view Clintons greatest mistake in his presidency was his decsions on Rwanda. I see Clintons weaknesses and strengths. George H. I think he was a good president handled the Gulf War with diplomacy and thought and was correct when he raised taxes even though that may have cost him the election. With GWB he is exactly right with SS. I think most are too shortsighted to see it but it will jump in their face a few years down the road. I really in my heart believe that the Bush administration errors have cost us dearly(foreign policy,healthcare,enviornment) and will effect every single one of us adversely and with dior consequences.Because of that I appear very "Left" right now but in reality I am not. I am not unamerican ...Just the opposite..I care so much I cannot tolerate what has occurred. However I do not think republicans are Un american and many of the republican ideoligies I understand and can see why they are supported. Now I have not read the secret prisons thread so I will then comment later tonight. I read about 2-3 threads that I rarely post on because I am ignorant on the subject so I just read to learn.Hey Dom, andmost religion threads I read and have not posted .I am following the debate with PR and M I M on abortion. So due to time constraints I post on 3-4 threads and read about 2-3 threads that interest me but I do not feel qualified enough to contribute.Certain posters as I have listed I try to read just because I like their writing style and learning(you included) it has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement as someone implied in my reintroduction. Sometimes I do not even open a thread because of time limitations. If time later i will read the Secret prisons thread.

Eternal Footman · #15 (**permalink**) 09-12-2006, 03:17 PM

I can't agree more with what you are saying Dom. Here are a few quotes that I think reflect your point.

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Originally Posted by ANONYMOUS

"4,500 bodies" or 4,500,000 bodies, it matters not to me. As long as Shrub gets the blame and he's driven out of office just like L.B.J. was in 1968. I want him to become a perish in his own country just like L.B.J. was. I'll laugh and I'll laugh and I'll laugh!!

All I know is that a house-to-house invasion of Iraq was a piss-poor idea. Everybody knew that (including Bush 41) - it's just that neocons believe it is a grand idea for American GIs to spill a certain amount of blood to prove to the world that we are willing to bleed.

Hey Sow, I got spell check too but elect not to use it.
And you being in America, ought to know that none of you can spell, ay, be, see, dee, ee, ef, gee, haich, eye, jay, kay, al, em, en, oh, pee, cue, are, ess, tee, you, vee, doubleyou, ex, why, zee(zed).

Could be we're about to find out if secret prisons and waterboarding work as well on American prisoners as they do on terrorist prisoners. Can we expect better treatment?

The tragic conflict in the mideast has created a safe haven and distraction for the Bush administration. No one is following the escalation, death ,destruction and mounting debt from this deceptive invasion. It has taken the pressure off the Bush administration while the world watches this current crisis unfold.

oceanbreeze · #16 (**permalink**) 09-13-2006, 10:58 AM

Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by Dom1

I don't know if it is unAmerican as much as it is anti-American in some cases. It may sound the same to most sane people, but many only like America when "their guy" is in charge. I'll admit that I haven't been involved in a lot of forums in which the two main parties were represented, but I have been in between 6-8 of them. This is the only forum that when a terrorists attack is stopped that instead of saying this is a good thing, many will automatically say it is because of political reasons. It is almost like some people are wanting terrorists to hit America again so they can point to Bush and say he is responsible. There is no doubt that some people want bad things to happen so they can point the finger at our president. Wouldn't that be anti-American? Many people on here care more about their party than about their country. You can view it any way you want, but I do view it that way. I won't point out the people, but it should be obvious who some of the people I am talking about are.

Go look at secret prisons. People go and rant about Bush and his human rights violations. When they had a chance to blame Bush and blame America, they chose to jump at the chance. When it is shown that rendition basically started under Clinton and the outsourcing of torture started under Clinton then people are quiet. Even a thing like torture is a partisan issue to some rather than a human rights issue. Real priorities, huh? Maybe this isn't a case of being unAmerican, just a case of partisan politics being the most important thing.

Maybe if I have time tonight I will expand on this, because I can't believe some can't see they are doing it. They may claim to be "for the people", but in reality they are only for some of them.

oceanbreeze · #17 (**permalink**) 09-13-2006, 10:59 AM

I didn't join until July '06 when you were on holiday. I honestly don't have the time to research every member on this board.

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Originally Posted by SAM-euro

No deception intended Dizzy/scooby/lady

DC125 · #18 (**permalink**) 09-13-2006, 11:45 AM

Well thank you Sam, I think I had deduced that "Sam-euro" thing. I was simply interested in the anti-American encounters. If people do experience it, I have often heard the reason is that Americans have problems fitting into areas of culture. However, I think that belief is concomitant.