Americas Saudi pals Human rights record.

Cookie Parker · #11 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Whoever is in the White House is friendly with the Saudis, but I don't think anyone thinks the Saudi culture or country is a great place to live. I think most of the extremism comes out of Saudi Arabia, and although it doesn't come from their government, their government sort of has their hands tied by the Salafi (? I think that is their name) who helped put the House of Saud in power long ago. What do you suggest we do, invade Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia is different from all other Muslim countries in a fundamental way. See, when Muslims pray they all face towards Mecca, which is kind of an important place to them, NOYB.

What was the point of this? Where has anyone excused the Saudis for their treatment of women?

Show me proof for this...or are you going to continue to just name call and hope people won't realize that your opinions are not backed by fact?

Dom1 · #12 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

Show me proof for this...or are you going to continue to just name call and hope people won't realize that your opinions are not backed by fact?

I thought I was on ignore? Never matter, I knew I wasn't.

Ummm . . . . OK. First of all, these aren't opinions. Mecca is in Saudi Arabia.

Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As is Medina. These are the two most Holy Sites in the Muslim world Kookie, and they are both in Saudi Arabia.

Medina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Salafis tied to House of Saud.

Salafism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wahhabis and Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Kookie, it was all fact and no opinion. I can't believe you actually wanted a link to say that Mecca was in Saudi Arabia, what a dunce. Now, are you going to respond and tell me I was wrong or ar you going to admit that you were wrong or ar eyou going to go off on some tangent saying nothing OR what you usually do . . . . slink off and dodge what you said?

Dom1 · #13 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 11:43 AM

Do you get it Kookie? See, Saudi Arabia is the center of the Islamic religion, that does make it fundamentally different than other Muslim nations. Part of a Muslims duties (or whatever they call them) is to go on haj (if you want me to tell you what that is I will) once in their life and guess where they go. Thats right, Saudi Arabia, Mecca to be precise. If you didn't know this stuff already you aren't equipped to really make much of a contribution to any issue dealing with the Middle East, but feel free to ask questions and learn something.

I don't think anyone was questioning whether I was backing what you call 'opinions' with facts. I think everyone on here, with exception of you and maybe Billy, knew all the stuff I said was fact.

noneof yourbusiness · #14 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:02 PM

Thers no excuse for Americas support of this regime. It is one of many that strips American of its credibilty in the world community.

Cookie Parker · #15 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Do you get it Kookie? See, Saudi Arabia is the center of the Islamic religion, that does make it fundamentally different than other Muslim nations. Part of a Muslims duties (or whatever they call them) is to go on haj (if you want me to tell you what that is I will) once in their life and guess where they go. Thats right, Saudi Arabia, Mecca to be precise. If you didn't know this stuff already you aren't equipped to really make much of a contribution to any issue dealing with the Middle East, but feel free to ask questions and learn something.

I don't think anyone was questioning whether I was backing what you call 'opinions' with facts. I think everyone on here, with exception of you and maybe Billy, knew all the stuff I said was fact.

No, dom1, that's not what you said here...

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Saudi Arabia is different from all other Muslim countries in a fundamental way. See, when Muslims pray they all face towards Mecca, which is kind of an important place to them,

You said Saudi Arabia is DIFFERENT FROM ALL OTHER MUSLIM NATIONS, You did NOT say it was because Mecca was in Saudi Arabia that made them different...half-assed statement followed up by half-assed discussion...

You don't even know what you are talking about...

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Mecca is the most important city to Muslims, and they are required to face it when they Pray. It is important because Muslims believe that the Patriarch Abraham personally built the Kaaba (cube-shaped building), using the Black Stone in its construction. Abraham's son Ishmael assisted in that construction, according to Islamic beliefs. Because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son because the Lord asked him to do so, clearly indicated that Abraham was the first truly Devout believer in the One God (Allah). This makes Abraham the central human figure in Muslim beliefs, the first of the Patriarchs. (This is the very same Abraham that Christians and Jews similarly revere as Patriarch.) The fact that Muslims face Mecca is really them facing the Kaaba, in honor to Abraham.

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Mecca (Arabic: Makkah), the birthplace of Muhammad, is the holiest city of the Islamic faith. Capital of the Hejaz province of Saudi Arabia, Mecca is located 72 km (45 mi) east of Jidda, its port on the Red Sea, and about 485 km (300 mi) south of Medina. Mecca's population is 367,000 (1976 est.). The city is located on the sandy, narrow valley of the Wadi Ibrahim and is surrounded by hills from 60 to 150 m (200 to 500 ft) high. The 914-m-high (3,000-ft) Jabal Khandama is located nearby.

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Mecca is a holy city, and non-Muslims are not permitted to enter it. But for Muslims the pilgrimage to Mecca, or the hajj, is one of the basic tenets of the religion. Each year, over 1,000,000 people visit during the month of pilgrimage. The core of Mecca, including the commercial district, surrounds the al-Haram or Great Mosque, which can hold 300,000 people. Inside the mosque, the Kaaba (a shrine enclosing a sacred Black Stone) and the well of Zamzam are located. They are the focus of the pilgrimage.

The main economic activity in Mecca is the provision of services to pilgrims. Merchants in particular benefit from the trade of travelers, as huge fairs are held during the month of the pilgrimage. Because of the yearly influx of visitors, the city's transportation network is well developed. Mecca is connected to Jidda and Riyadh by road, and the airport at Jidda serves Mecca.

Even before Muhammad's birth (570), the city was an important commercial and religious center (the Black Stone was sacred in early Arabic religions). Muhammad began to preach in the city c.613 but was forced to flee to Medina in 622 (the Hegira). In 630 he returned with 10,000 men to conquer the city and establish it as the center of the Islamic world. The city was ruled by the Carmathians from 930 until 1269, when the Egyptian Mamelukes gained control.

The Ottoman Turks ruled from 1517 until 1916, when the Hejaz region became independent, with Mecca as its capital. Mecca fell to Ibn Saud in 1924, and in 1932 Hejaz became a province of Saudi Arabia. In November 1979 a group of 200 Muslim zealots seized Mecca's Great Mosque; they were driven out by Saudi troops after 10 days, and many were executed. In 1987, Iranian pilgrims staged violent demonstrations in the city.

So, no one in Saudi Arabia faces the city?

What "fundamental way" is Saudi different from other Arab nations?

Cookie Parker · #16 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

I thought I was on ignore? Never matter, I knew I wasn't.

Ummm . . . . OK. First of all, these aren't opinions. Mecca is in Saudi Arabia.

Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As is Medina. These are the two most Holy Sites in the Muslim world Kookie, and they are both in Saudi Arabia.

Medina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Salafis tied to House of Saud.

Salafism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wahhabis and Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Kookie, it was all fact and no opinion. I can't believe you actually wanted a link to say that Mecca was in Saudi Arabia, what a dunce. Now, are you going to respond and tell me I was wrong or ar you going to admit that you were wrong or ar eyou going to go off on some tangent saying nothing OR what you usually do . . . . slink off and dodge what you said?

Only if you're Sunni, Dom1 and all your socks who will come on here yet today....what if you are Shiite? Care to tell me where those holy cities are?

Cookie Parker · #17 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

I thought I was on ignore? Never matter, I knew I wasn't.

Ummm . . . . OK. First of all, these aren't opinions. Mecca is in Saudi Arabia.

Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As is Medina. These are the two most Holy Sites in the Muslim world Kookie, and they are both in Saudi Arabia.

Medina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Salafis tied to House of Saud.

Salafism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wahhabis and Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Kookie, it was all fact and no opinion. I can't believe you actually wanted a link to say that Mecca was in Saudi Arabia, what a dunce. Now, are you going to respond and tell me I was wrong or ar you going to admit that you were wrong or ar eyou going to go off on some tangent saying nothing OR what you usually do . . . . slink off and dodge what you said?

i DO know the Arabs who flew planes into our buildings were Sunni Saudi Arabians....is that what you think is the fundamental difference, Dom1? Saudis are terrorists?

noneof yourbusiness · #18 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:08 PM

Thre precnece of Mecca is neithr an excuse nor explaniation for there dsidain for basic human rights.

Dom1 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

No, dom1, that's not what you said here...

You said Saudi Arabia is DIFFERENT FROM ALL OTHER MUSLIM NATIONS, You did NOT say it was because Mecca was in Saudi Arabia that made them different...half-assed statement followed up by half-assed discussion...

You don't even know what you are talking about...

So, no one in Saudi Arabia faces the city?

What "fundamental way" is Saudi different from other Arab nations?

Pay attention dummy. Saudi Arabia is fundamentally different from ALL other Muslim nations because it is the CENTER of their religion. Do you get it Ms. ____? It isn't a very tough concept. See, if a place like Iraq or Iran is invaded then of course there are Muslims who would be upset and some would go to help fight the Americans. It woudl be totally different if say, we invaded Saudi Arabia, the BIRTHPLACE of Islam. The entire Muslim world would react. Get it?

What are you talking about when you asked "so, no one in Saudi Arabia faces the city?" Are you an idiot? Seriously, are you?

Not to mention, you questioned what I said about the Salafis, and I was dead on there as well. Face it, you are clueless and are just digging yoruself a deeper hole. I guess it is too much to say that you didn't know what the fuck youa re talking about.

Cookie Parker · #20 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

Thre precnece of Mecca is neithr an excuse nor explaniation for there dsidain for basic human rights.

I just wonder what Dom1 will come up with to point out the differences in this nation from other Muslim nations...as he said...in a "Fundamental way"..