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Old 02-19-2008, 10:38 PM
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Noneof your business- I don't have proof. What a concept. Someone acually stating a fact. I can't prove global warming isn't a lie in the same way you can't prove there is. You lay out all of the off the wall links to who knows, to what end? If you could prove man made global warming as fact, it would be layed out for the entire world to behold. The truth is you can't.

The bottom line is that before we throw our economy and our standard of living down the toilet, I ask you. Debate it and prove it to me.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:38 PM
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And once again--the only scientific consensus is that we have had a climate change of ONE MASSIVE WORLD ENDING DEGREE! The consensus stops there--liberalism and tree huggers have distorted everything since.
Not at all & as usual you have no clue.

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The increase in global temperature over the last 100 years was only about 1 degree F, and if the temperature goes up a similar amount in the next 100 years, it's no big deal.

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It is true that the measured increase in global average temperature over the last century was about 1 degree F. But only if manmade greenhouse gas emissions completely stopped immediately would the temperature increase over the next century be limited to 1 degree F. Scientists estimate that the average global temperature increase for the 21st century will be anywhere from 2.5 to 10.4 degrees F, based on the current trends in greenhouse gas output. But even a rise of 2.5 to 10.4 degrees seems like it would be within tolerable limits, right? After all, outdoor temperatures swing much more than that from winter to summer.

Sorry, but that big bubble of positive thinking goes "pop" as soon as we realize that the average temperature during the last Ice Age was only 5-9 degrees colder than today's temperatures. During this period, the northeast United States was covered by more than 3,000 feet of ice.

In the last 10,000 years, humans have prospered, partly due to a long-term period of climatic stability—the Earth's average temperature hasn't varied by more than 1.8°F (1.0°C). Temperature increases of 2.5-10.4 degrees are far beyond the norm and will put us into uncharted territory. The climate in 2100 could be as drastically different from our climate today as the Ice Age was.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:42 PM
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Noneof your business- I don't have proof. What a concept. Someone acually stating a fact. I can't prove global warming isn't a lie in the same way you can't prove there is. You lay out all of the off the wall links to who knows, to what end? If you could prove man made global warming as fact, it would be layed out for the entire world to behold. The truth is you can't.

The bottom line is that before we throw our economy and our standard of living down the toilet, I ask you. Debate it and prove it to me.
I have no intention of prooving anything to people whom wont belive no matter what. The evuidence is obvious. YOu tpye of folks will defy this based on nothign but your insane politcal fanatism. This is the same type of people that sit continue to reguse to acknowledge what any 5 year could at this point about the war. its not about truth its about your guy.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:43 PM
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The democratic party will win elections because of it. Is that beneficial?
China and India will get a pass from any stupid treaty, is that beneficial?
The investors of "green" science and academia will prosper, is that benificial?

Wrong again. For every scam someone benefits.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:48 PM
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Crownpost- You are so full of bullshit, I can smell it through the phone wire. What kind of retard is saying 2-10 degrees. I have never heard those figures. Do me a favor and go back and reread what you wrote. You either made that up or you're reading the Huffington Post.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:50 PM
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I'm not falling into your game of asking a question and in turn being asked a question. You dipshits never anwer a question.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:55 PM
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Science is much more complex than lumping all the planets together and any change for one is not necessarily the cause of the other planets changes-many factors are involved and that argument is a simplistic one.

Solar changes would impact all the planets and the Mars and Pluto argument has been refuted and even skeptics have dropped that one.
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Sam, your full of shit. The sun emits heat, radiation, ultraviolet and other forms of energy. The Earth has something we like to call an "atmosphere". No other planet has one like ours. The suns decreased radiation may heat other planets and not ours. Heat may effect other bodies but not ours. On the other hand radiation may heat Earth and not other planets.

Changes in the suns energy emisions effects Earth independently. You have been debunked by a high school graduate.
cede you just repeated my point and then said I was full of shit. I said if warming were only due to solar changes then all the planets would heat up, but that is not the case because many factors are involved. You repeated my point and them claim to debunk me .

You just explained why changes in Mars have nothing to do with Earth-Maybe you should explain this to the people who still try that old argument even the skeptics dropped that one it was so far fetched-I am surprised anyone continues to use it.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:57 PM
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The democratic party will win elections because of it. Is that beneficial?
Yes if we can get out of the apathetic ways of thinking about energy & business & can open up new markets for creating viable energy independence. That is beneficial for business, for ourselves & our country. What the hell is wrong with making money& being green in the process?
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China and India will get a pass from any stupid treaty, is that beneficial?
Interestingly enough China is more acutely aware of it's needs for energy & it's growing impact on the environment. They are one of the countries pushing hardest for Solar technology. I see benefit-Yup.

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The investors of "green" science and academia will prosper, is that benificial?
Hell ya! Some evil academic figured out a way to make hydrogen from bacteria. Without expensive electrolysis. A great side benefit, they used common bacterias that cleans water. I'll take more academia any day if they come up with great solutions like that.
Sooo horrible...I don't think so.

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Wrong again. For every scam someone benefits.
Actually pretty much all your statement are superficial un-thought out & well wrong.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:58 PM
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Crowley- Why is it that when I engage you in debate and I either am curious by what you write or even agree with you, you are rational and level headed? But when I make points that need to be refuted, you start swearing and get all flustered. Chill and think for a moment. If you show me fact and or make sense, I will cede the point.
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Crownpost- You are so full of bullshit, I can smell it through the phone wire. What kind of retard is saying 2-10 degrees. I have never heard those figures. Do me a favor and go back and reread what you wrote. You either made that up or you're reading the Huffington Post.
No you are full of shit & have shown yourself to be a complete idiot. Maybe you're smelling your own self defecating pile that you are sitting in.

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