Thread: Hydrogen by-product from Algae-Oil Process

Amazing - these DUAL GW BUSH VOTERS even hate new technology that is cleaner, more sustainable and efficient.

Is there a limit to their insanity and deluded right wing greed?

(what a bunch of suckered in Corporate fuckheads - their very existence is non-sustainable - THANK GOD - they are dwindling in numbers and influence - a laughable bunch of has beens)

Is it greed to earn a great deal of money through hard work and risk taking, or is it greed to sit on your lazy ass and expect someone else to take care of you? Come on Hoodwinked, tell us.

Originally Posted by Oldtank

Is it greed to earn a great deal of money through hard work and risk taking, or is it greed to sit on your lazy ass and expect someone else to take care of you? Come on Hoodwinked, tell us.

What you mean like the Royal Family or Warren Buffett?

Who are these "US" you keep referring to?

Cant you craft your own views?

Are you afraid to exist as an individual??

Cant you back up your insane views with your own personal strength

Sounds like you revel in a pit of your own cowadice

Nice logical response to my question. Do you see red and rage when someone disagrees with you? You don't seem able to follow a line of thought or reasoning. Are you ill, or has your mom restricted you again?

Originally Posted by Hooded

You did read the information in the thread???

The Hydrogen by-product is not via the electrolytic pathway - its biogenically produced - and in this case from algae.

The only question that remains is why you voted for GW BUSH TWICE?

Yes, I read the information in the thread. It's physically impossible what they are describing.
You simply cannot extract more energy from a machine than you put into it.
Ask ANY physicist.

There is a reason that the Navy stopped paying attention to this snake oil scam...

As for 'bio-genically' producing Hydrogen...

Algae does not produce Hydrogen. It simply doesn't. What it does is split H20 and digests Hydrogen.
Seriously, this isn't a classified secret, just look into the chemical formula for photosynthesis.

The Hydrogen comes from the Water, and is digested by the Algae. The only time during the algae to fuel oil cycle that Hydrogen is ever DIRECTLY released is 1) during cell fracturing (as I mentioned above) and 2) when the Hydrogen in the Oil is burned in your vehicle.

You can't have it both ways Hooded. Either the Hydrogen is being used for FUEL OIL, or it's being extracted for HYDROGEN use (which as I mentioned has an industry wide storage problem that a start-up biodiesel company simply doesn't have the resources to solve, and isn't even talking about working on...)

AND either way you look at it, you're getting less energy out than you put in.

That in NO way condemns algae biofuels. The science is sound and there are industrial producers currently producing. Algae biofuels are a great idea.

Believing the crap in this press release though.... NOT a great idea.

Please oh please go to your local university and ask somebody for a clue!

-Cpt. Obvious


Oh and by the by sir, I NEVER, NEVER EVER EVER voted for George Bush. Neither one of them.

You really should learn that sometimes people are telling you that you're being an idiot because they want you to be more informed...

Facts don't hurt... ...much!

Originally Posted by Cpt. Obvious

Um.... Really?

It's pretty obvious to anyone who's every tried use electrolysis that Hydrogen is created as a byproduct.

I mean seriously, you're splitting H2O and expecting not to get Oxygen and Hydrogen?

Who wrote this press release? A third grader?

It's pretty much impossible NOT to get Hydrogen when splitting a cell that is within an H20 medium. Humans have known this for nearly 200 years!
Just google Faraday!

What REALLY astounds me though, is where they say:
"Algae already create oxygen through photosynthesis. Recovering hydrogen provides the necessary ingredients for electricity generation using fuel cells. The energy can be used to offset the electricity requirements of algae cultivation, harvesting and downstream processing."

That statement is so full of ridiculousness that I don't even know where to start!

1) Algae doesn't 'create' oxygen, it extracts Hydrogen from water, splitting the H20 and leaving Free Oxygen!

2) Recovering Hydrogen is about as simple as capping your electrode. Storing that Hydrogen without it leaking is virtually impossible. I've yet to see ANY small start-up develop a functional Hydrogen Fuel Cell, let alone one that could facilitate the power requirements of a large scale Algae Growth System...

3) HOW exactly, HOW is it that Hydrogen eaten by an Algal cell (which is then converted by the Algae into HydroCarbons as the Hydrogen attaches to it's Carbon nucleus...) then turn around and provide the POWER source to grow the Algae within the same system? That's basically claiming more output energy than input, and it makes this company's science look seriously flawed. In short, the amount of Hydrogen taken out during Algal Cell Splitting for Oil Extraction WILL NEVER exceed the amount of Hydrogen taken in by the Algae. And some of the taken in Hydrogen remains in the Oil (otherwise known as HydroCarbons... DUH!)

Wow I can't believe I wasted my time reading this crap.

-Cpt. Obvious

LOLOLOL

http://www.originoil.com/about-us/company.html

Yeah kudzu3, I tried to go their page, and was steered directly towards the investors page about 8 times before I gave up on finding any real science there.

I like to at least hear somebody out, but I guess this one I just should've skipped over.

Sucks too, because Algae Biofuels are the likely transition to energy independence for America.

Can't wait for the signal to emerge from all of this noise...

Originally Posted by Cpt. Obvious

Yeah kudzu3, I tried to go their page, and was steered directly towards the investors page about 8 times before I gave up on finding any real science there.

I like to at least hear somebody out, but I guess this one I just should've skipped over.

Sucks too, because Algae Biofuels are the likely transition to energy independence for America.

Can't wait for the signal to emerge from all of this noise...

REMINDS ME OF THE ZION OILSCAM.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2008...be-light-crude

Wow those people really got used. That's sad. Thanks for the linky kudzu, I hadn't heard of that one before...

The part of the article I found the strongest parallel was here:

"Over the past 10 years, Ness has issued 180 million shares and collected almost $10 million from investors. What most of them didn't know—and still don't today—is that behind the fire and brimstone lurked a standard penny-stock play known as the pump-and-dump scheme, which entails buying a publicly traded shell company, inflating the stock price with misleading claims, then selling off shares at a huge profit and leaving investors holding the bag."

That's pretty much the red flag I was seeing. Some claims are just too good to be true.

Originally Posted by Cpt. Obvious

Wow those people really got used. That's sad. Thanks for the linky kudzu, I hadn't heard of that one before...

The part of the article I found the strongest parallel was here:

"Over the past 10 years, Ness has issued 180 million shares and collected almost $10 million from investors. What most of them didn't know—and still don't today—is that behind the fire and brimstone lurked a standard penny-stock play known as the pump-and-dump scheme, which entails buying a publicly traded shell company, inflating the stock price with misleading claims, then selling off shares at a huge profit and leaving investors holding the bag."

That's pretty much the red flag I was seeing. Some claims are just too good to be true.

WORLD NET DAILY HAS BEEN SELLING THE STOCK SINCE 1998 WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE WORLD'S LARGEST OIL RESERVE IN ISRAEL.