Moderation on the Rise in the GOP?

freedomlover · #11 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

Rasta, you will see that the Republican party will get back to being moral, family oriented and fiscally conservative and back to representing their base, which by the way is closer to the American people than the left.

You know Rob, I gave up on the repubs because of Ronnie. I would like to see this happen for the repubs, but really who do they have running that represents this?

rob · #12 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

You know Rob, I gave up on the repubs because of Ronnie. I would like to see this happen for the repubs, but really who do they have running that represents this?

Freedom, maybe not all of it, but Rudy does bring leadership and fiscal conservatism to the table, and Brownback brings the morals and family values.

freedomlover · #13 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

Freedom, maybe not all of it, but Rudy does bring leadership and fiscal conservatism to the table, and Brownback brings the morals and family values.

Well, maybe you are right. I have to go bake now, but let me leave you with this. I see the same thing happening in the repub. party that is happening with the dems. I think the base is moving more the middle in the dems, but the candidates that are being offered up (ones that stand a chance) are still very left. Obama talks moderate (because I think he knows where the base is) but in truth I think he's very left. People will buy into his moderate speech, and we will get stuck with another left loonie.

Izdaari · #14 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

Well, maybe you are right. I have to go bake now, but let me leave you with this. I see the same thing happening in the repub. party that is happening with the dems. I think the base is moving more the middle in the dems, but the candidates that are being offered up (ones that stand a chance) are still very left. Obama talks moderate (because I think he knows where the base is) but in truth I think he's very left. People will buy into his moderate speech, and we will get stuck with another left loonie.

That's exactly my problem with Obama. If he really meant all the moderate talk, I could maybe get behind him.

But isn't something different happening with the GOP? The more moderate candidates are in the lead, and Rudy is beginning to seem inevitable, causing some consternation amongst the hardcore.

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

The only thing that will save the GOP after courting and sleeping with the warmongering deficit spending NEOCONS, would be to return to party of Eisenhower of the 1950's.

FIND A WAY TO GO BACK TO YOUR REPUBLICAN ROOTS!

Eisenhower Republican? Hmm, sounds like Rudy to me.

Deadshot · #15 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 09:38 AM

I just don't think you're there yet, rob. The Religious Right is just to strong in your Party.

Rudy is going to have to court them, as McCain has done. A couple of years ago McCain was begining to look moderate, now - after Fallwell and other RR events, he looks as about un-Moderate as you can get.

Rudy would have to court the RR. Ergo, he will "lose" his Moderate moniker. If that happens the Moderates in the Democratic party will run back home. Now, if Rudy can win the nomination and the Republicans can push the RR to the side, I think he'll win. He'll get Moderates from both sides and the RR will stay home, voting for niether Rudy or ANY Dem.

But that would be a fundemental change for the party. Such a change would alienate, totally alienate the RR. Because if Rudy sticks by his guns and continues to be Pro-Abortion / Pro-Gay Rights / Pro-Stem Cell and let's his affair and divorce continue not to be an issue he'll get Moderates from both sides. But McCain caved, and is actively courting the RR. I just don't think Rudy's stronger then McCain.

Your party is going to be stuck with a candidate that's hoping to bridge the Moderates with the RR, i.e. someone that Falwell and Robertson can support. That kills Rudy, UNLESS he backpeddles - then he'll no longer be a Moderate.

rob · #16 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

I just don't think you're there yet, rob. The Religious Right is just to strong in your Party.

Rudy is going to have to court them, as McCain has done. A couple of years ago McCain was begining to look moderate, now - after Fallwell and other RR events, he looks as about un-Moderate as you can get.

Rudy would have to court the RR. Ergo, he will "lose" his Moderate moniker. If that happens the Moderates in the Democratic party will run back home. Now, if Rudy can win the nomination and the Republicans can push the RR to the side, I think he'll win. He'll get Moderates from both sides and the RR will stay home, voting for niether Rudy or ANY Dem.

But that would be a fundemental change for the party. Such a change would alienate, totally alienate the RR. Because if Rudy sticks by his guns and continues to be Pro-Abortion / Pro-Gay Rights / Pro-Stem Cell and let's his affair and divorce continue not to be an issue he'll get Moderates from both sides. But McCain caved, and is actively courting the RR. I just don't think Rudy's stronger then McCain.

Your party is going to be stuck with a candidate that's hoping to bridge the Moderates with the RR, i.e. someone that Falwell and Robertson can support. That kills Rudy, UNLESS he backpeddles - then he'll no longer be a Moderate.

Dead, great informative post. I think you are just trying to back out of your bet that we have. I don't see Rudy backpeddling and if he does, he has lost my vote.

Deadshot · #17 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

Dead, great informative post. I think you are just trying to back out of your bet that we have. I don't see Rudy backpeddling and if he does, he has lost my vote.

No, No, No...I'm not backing out - bet's on. rob, you've got to understand that I would gladly buy you a hat if Rudy doesn't back down and wins. A Rudy win, a no back down win, means that you've cowed the religious right in your party. That type of win brings the Republican party more to the moderate side then the Democrat party, making it the better of the two partys, IMHO.

But it's a pipe dream. Just as the Dem's are saddled with Planned Parenthood, you are saddled with the RR. We can buck PP on certain, small races - just as you can with the RR. But this is POTUS, the leader of the free world and symbol for our country. Did you read and/or listen to the rants of the right - Limbaugh, Robertson, Falwell, Coulter and others said about Clinton and his stance on Abortion? How 'bout rechecking the fight here in Missouri over Stem Cells and the power of the RR.

Just as Dems' are going to be hemmed in, we MUST elect a PRO-CHOICE candidate. Your side WILL NOT be able to elect a pro-choice candidate. Ergo no Rudy, unless he recants. Rudy's lost and just doesn't know it yet. Because, believe it or not, when Robertson, Falwell, Graham and others refuse to "stump" for him, he loses his base. The RR won't vote Democrat, but they will stay home. It's how we won last year, RR voters stayed home.

George O Well · #18 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 10:55 AM

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neocons, are American citizens with full access to their rights to civil liberities.

>>>Rob, a lot of American citizens have been traitors. I ain't saying there shouldn't be a trial.

George O Well · #19 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

Rasta, you will see that the Republican party will get back to being moral, family oriented and fiscally conservative and back to representing their base, which by the way is closer to the American people than the left.

>>>Iow, the Pugs will jettison neoconservatism, correct? If that happens, even I might be a Republican again.

George O Well · #20 (**permalink**) 02-27-2007, 11:04 AM

"The more moderate candidates are in the lead, and Rudy is beginning to seem inevitable, causing some consternation amongst the hardcore."

>>>The 'hardcore' had its 5 minutes in the sun. It's about to find out that it is irrelevent again.