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02-23-2007, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
Judaism, and Islam, view ethnicity in different ways. 1.2 billion Muslims view the FATHER'S religion as what determines a childs religion. The Mothers religion does NOT come into play.
With a Muslim name, and a Muslim Father, let's all guess what the religion would be. 
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Hmm, if my father's religion came into play I'd be a Lutheran... which come to think of it, I very nearly am, but that's entirely my own choice. I'm checking out a local Evangelical Covenant Church and it may well be the right one for me. Their historical roots are Lutheran. Their theology is conservative on the basics, and they allow doctrinal freedom on everything else. They don't seem very political at all. Seldom have I found such a close match for what I personally believe.
So, let's see if we can guess Barack Obama's religion. Muslim? No, United Church of Christ is the correct answer. That's a pretty liberal church (and Obama is after all a liberal, which is why I wouldn't vote for him), but still a Christian church (flaja would disagree but screw him  ), solidly within the family of Reformation churches on theology,
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Family and religious life
While working at the corporate law firm Sidley & Austin in the summer of 1989, Obama met Michelle Robinson, an associate attorney at the firm.[118] Michelle and Barack Obama were married in 1992 at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ by their pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.[119] They have two daughters, Malia, 8, and Natasha, 5.[118] A theme of Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and the title of his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by one of Rev. Wright's sermons.[120] In the book, Obama describes his non-religious upbringing: I was not raised in a religious household. My maternal grandparents, who hailed from Kansas, had been steeped in Baptist and Methodist teachings as children, but religious faith never really took root in their hearts. My mother's own experiences as a bookish, sensitive child growing up in small towns in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas only reinforced this inherited skepticism. [...] My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition.
Obama writes that his religious convictions formed during his twenties, when, as a community organizer working with local churches, he came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change": It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.[121]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_...religious_life
If y'all wanna convince us Obama is secretly a Muslim you'll need more than what I've heard so far.
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02-23-2007, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
PSSSSSSST! To 1.2 BILLION Muslims if your father is a Muslim YOU are a Muslim. What do you think his name is Irish?
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This is 100% false. If this was true Muslim would be an ethnicity like Jewish is. (According to Jews if your mother is Jewish so are you)
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02-23-2007, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rob
But Dizzy, he is a member of the Baptist church.
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Exactly he is a baptist. Some hardline mullah somewhere might think Obama deserves to be killed for rejecting Islam, but that does not mean that they still consider him a Muslim.
As for me I am changing my registration from Independent to Democrat so I can vote for Obama in the Primary
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02-23-2007, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ken.e
Exactly he is a baptist. Some hardline mullah somewhere might think Obama deserves to be killed for rejecting Islam, but that does not mean that they still consider him a Muslim.
As for me I am changing my registration from Independent to Democrat so I can vote for Obama in the Primary
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Ken, glad to hear that your voting.
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02-23-2007, 09:40 AM
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Ken, glad to hear that your voting.
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Rob, I like you, but you kiss ass to much in this forum...
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02-23-2007, 09:45 AM
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Ken, glad to hear that your voting.
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If you don't vote you can't complain, and I love to complain
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02-23-2007, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhigher
Rob, I like you, but you kiss ass to much in this forum...
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flyhighter, I don't kiss ass anywhere but I am glad that people are going to vote regardless if I approve of their choice. I knew too many people in the military that said my vote doesn't count. That is BS, a vote does count.
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02-23-2007, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
The RNC has enough to defeat the Hildabeast. Osama Bin Cokespoon will be rejected by mainstream America:
No experience in politics, or business.
Name.
Muslim.
Liberal.
Chicago.
Anti gun.
Black.
Crack smoker.
Try to sell THAT to your Grandmother, or the people in Kansas.
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I couldnt agree more.
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02-23-2007, 08:44 PM
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I heard that His brother is going to be running too.
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