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02-20-2007, 09:06 AM
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confederate Flag must come down
Democrats are telling South Carolina to take the flag down.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/19/D8ND1C200.html
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02-20-2007, 09:18 AM
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So the Democrats can come up with a good idea once in a blue moon.
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02-20-2007, 09:45 AM
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hmm, so you think this is a good idea? Epxplain if you can.
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02-20-2007, 09:47 AM
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Rob, this issue has risen before. I think in this case the Democrats are right (althought I doubt they really care, its just politically expedient for them). As I have said before I am Southern Born and Southern Bred and when I die I will be Southern Dead but I think its time to put the flag away.
To many it may be "Heritage not Hate" but to most of those who actually fly it heritage ain't got a thing to do with it.
I believe the North was wrong and the Southern states had the right to secede from the union if it wished but we lost that fight and its time to put our colors away proudly and not have it sullied by a bunch of haters who have no real idea of the significance of the Confederacy.
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02-20-2007, 10:05 AM
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Nathan, you are indeed a scholar and a Southern Gentlman, I think your right, even though I really want to fight it.
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02-20-2007, 10:05 AM
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Rob, this issue has risen before. I think in this case the Democrats are right (althought I doubt they really care, its just politically expedient for them). As I have said before I am Southern Born and Southern Bred and when I die I will be Southern Dead but I think its time to put the flag away.
To many it may be "Heritage not Hate" but to most of those who actually fly it heritage ain't got a thing to do with it.
I believe the North was wrong and the Southern states had the right to secede from the union if it wished but we lost that fight and its time to put our colors away proudly and not have it sullied by a bunch of haters who have no real idea of the significance of the Confederacy.
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Interesting take, Nathan....and I agree with you. And I've always wondered the legal justification for forcing states to remain in the Union when their rightfully elected governments had voted to secede. However, in the big picture, the North did have the moral high ground on the slavery issue.
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02-20-2007, 10:15 AM
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Interesting take, Nathan....and I agree with you. And I've always wondered the legal justification for forcing states to remain in the Union when their rightfully elected governments had voted to secede. However, in the big picture, the North did have the moral high ground on the slavery issue.
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Storman, I see that you are thinking the war of northern agression, was abgout slavery. The issue was states rights and slavery as an after thought.
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02-20-2007, 10:16 AM
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Interesting take, Nathan....and I agree with you. And I've always wondered the legal justification for forcing states to remain in the Union when their rightfully elected governments had voted to secede. However, in the big picture, the North did have the moral high ground on the slavery issue.
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Well that would be true if the issue of the War of Northern Agression was actually slavery. Freeing the slaves was not the intent of the war, preserving the Union was for the Northern states. The entire issue of Free State vs Slave State was that pesky 2/3 representation provided by the slaves, who had no right to vote. Allowing the slaves to count as 2/3 of a person gave the South more power than it might have otherwise had and the North could have ridden even more roughshod over them with oneous tariffs and import regulations.
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02-20-2007, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
Well that would be true if the issue of the War of Northern Agression was actually slavery. Freeing the slaves was not the intent of the war, preserving the Union was for the Northern states. The entire issue of Free State vs Slave State was that pesky 2/3 representation provided by the slaves, who had no right to vote. Allowing the slaves to count as 2/3 of a person gave the South more power than it might have otherwise had and the North could have ridden even more roughshod over them with oneous tariffs and import regulations.
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Well, I agree with you to some extent, initially Lincoln stated that the one and only reason for this war was preservation of the Union. And there were four big reasons for this - Maryland, Delaware, Missouri, and Kentucky. But, in reality, the question of slavery played a much bigger role in leading up to the Civil War. The abolitionist movement in the North was gaining strength....and I think that most Southerners saw the writing on the wall. I also think it was clear from the start that unless the South prevailed, slavery was going to come to an end.
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02-20-2007, 10:57 AM
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Slavery would have died out regardless. Once the people realised that it is cheaper ot hire workers as opossed to buying, houseing, feeding and caring for slaves.
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