Barack Obama... The Great Black Hope???

Flyhigher · #1 (**permalink**) 02-16-2007, 09:02 PM

Is Obama a socialist and a liar?
Can he be trusted to uphold all of the values that have made this country a truly " Great Nation"?

I don't think so...

Obama has already proven that he is indeed a socialist and a liar...

heyjude122 · #2 (**permalink**) 02-16-2007, 10:13 PM

How so? I need more information than that. Admittedly, I haven't listened to more than sound bites of his speeches, but I know almost nothing. Can you fill me in on what you refer to?

cat's meow · #3 (**permalink**) 02-16-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by heyjude122

How so? I need more information than that. Admittedly, I haven't listened to more than sound bites of his speeches, but I know almost nothing. Can you fill me in on what you refer to?

I am perplexed too. He has spoken in generalities and it is way early to tell what he is REALLY proposing fro a platform really.

The other thing I am perplexed about is the idea of him with a "lack of experience." Our current president was elected in with a severe lack of experience when it comes right down to it. So somehow Obama is a worse candidate than Bush in 2000 on the expereince issue (before becoming Gov of Texas in 1994 he had zero legislative experience...he owned the Rangers before that...WTH?)? Obama will have been in the legislative pipeline since 1996 when he was a Rep for the Illinois 13th distirct in Chicago. This will give him a total of 12 years as opposed to Bush's only six.

Disingenuous argument at very best. If Obama had owned the Cubs before that would it help? Hmmm...well....maybe the White Sox huh...

Flyhigher · #4 (**permalink**) 02-16-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by heyjude122

How so? I need more information than that. Admittedly, I haven't listened to more than sound bites of his speeches, but I know almost nothing. Can you fill me in on what you refer to?

Ok, I would be glad to...
First there was the interview with CBS 2 in Chicago, 2004. Obama stated' I am not going to run for President in 2008"
"I think it's a silly question"..

Fiction: Obama stated that his Father... grew up herding goats... The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly... It is a lie...
Fact: Obama's Grandfather , Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's Father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman...( why then did Obama lie?)
Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name...
Fact: Obama is a muslim who has concealed his religion. I am a strong supporter of the muslim community, and I believe muslims have been scapegoated. Obama has a great opportunity to be forthright.
Instead, he has treated his muslim heritage as a dark secret. His Grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an 'Arabic-Muslim, not African, name... Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior,'Baraka.'
Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa...
'Barack Senior was also a devoted muslim, and also chose a muslim name for his son, our own 'Barack Obama,
Junior.' Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic...
Fiction: Obama Senior was a harmless student 'immigrant' who cane to the United States only to study>?
Fact: Obama was part of one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in Africa: the Kenyatta regime...Obama's father ran back to Kenya soon after the British left. It is likely Obama's father has Mau Mau sympathies or connections, or he would not have been welcomed into the muderous inner circle of rapists, murderers, and arsonists... I believe Obama's secret shame at his family history of rape, murder and arson is what actualizes him...

Flyhigher · #5 (**permalink**) 02-16-2007, 11:47 PM

I also want to express my feelings about the US having a muslim President...
Never must we let this happen....

cat's meow · #6 (**permalink**) 02-17-2007, 12:02 AM

Obama attended a school as a kid in Indonesia, a 90% Muslim country...so that makes him Muslim(?)...check up on your facts.

Flyhigher · #7 (**permalink**) 02-17-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Obama attended a school as a kid in Indonesia, a 90% Muslim country...so that makes him Muslim(?)...check up on your facts.

My facts are in order, miss meow, he's a muslim...

cat's meow · #8 (**permalink**) 02-17-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyhigher

My facts are in order, miss meow, he's a muslim...

A. I am a Mr.

B. Please explain how this makes him Muslim, give the facts and solid absolute truth to your claim. The following is where we are presently with Obama:

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When Obama was two years old, his parents separated and later divorced; his father went to Harvard University to pursue Ph.D. studies, eventually returning to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian foreign student, with whom she had one daughter. The family moved to Jakarta, where Obama attended local schools from ages 6 to 10. He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, attending Punahou School from 5th through 12th grade and graduating from there in 1979. His father died in a car accident in Kenya when Obama was 21 years old.

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No proof is offered by those who make these claims -- no sightings of Barack Obama attending a mosque, no pictures of him reading the Qur'an, praying to Mecca, or observing Islamic holidays with his family. The entire case, such as it is, rests on a confused and error-ridden recitation of Obama's upbringing and purported childhood influences. It also rests on -- or exploits -- a deep fear and suspicion of the Muslim faith.

Virtually everything we do know about Obama's parentage and upbringing, it should be stipulated, comes from the senator himself. Obama told the story of his search to uncover his African heritage in Dreams from My Father (Three Rivers Press, 2004), and shared further autobiographical details in The Audacity of Hope (Crown Publishers, 2006). He spoke at length about his Christian beliefs in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times interview with Cathleen Falsani. Must we take his word for everything? Not necessarily, but in the absence of contrary evidence we have no reason to seriously doubt Obama's own candid account of his life history.

Was Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a "radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia?"

No. Though Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was raised a Muslim, he had lost his faith and become a "confirmed atheist" by the time he attended college, according to his son. Obama's parents separated when Barack was two, his father moving not to Jakarta, but to the United States, where he attended Harvard. Eventually he returned to Kenya.

Did Obama's mother go on to marry another Muslim named Lolo Soetoro who "educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools?"

Yes and no. When Obama's mother remarried, it was indeed to an Indonesian man named Lolo Soetoro, whom his stepson describes as a "non-practicing" Muslim. But it was his "secular" mother who supervised his education, Obama has written, sending him to both Catholic and Muslim primary schools after the family moved to Jakarta. There is nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa (Muslim religious school) run by Wahabbists, and in any case it's unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-mindedness and her stated goal of giving him a well-rounded education, including in matters of faith.

Update: CNN has tracked down the school in question, the Basuki School in Jakarta, which a deputy headmaster described as a "public school" with no particular religious agenda. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment," he told CNN. A classmate of Obama's described the school as "general," with students of many religious backgrounds attending. Obama entered the school at the age of 8 and attended for two years.

Is it true that "Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim while admitting that he was once a Muslim?"

Once a Muslim? When? Unless I missed it while skimming Obama's two books and sundry interviews, the senator has never mentioned being a Muslim at any point in his life. Yes, he lived in a Muslim country during part of his childhood and briefly attended a Muslim school there, but he certainly wasn't raised a Muslim and has never been, so far as I can determine, a practitioner of that faith.

That anyone, let alone a sitting U.S. senator with designs on the highest office in the land, would conceal being a Muslim for twenty-odd years while going through the outward motions of practicing Christianity (or vice-versa, for that matter) is a truly bizarre accusation. I'd be tempted to dismiss it as paranoid lunacy if it weren't so obviously a crass, politically-motivated smear.

Flyhigher · #9 (**permalink**) 02-17-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

A. I am a Mr.

B. Please explain how this makes him Muslim, give the facts and solid absolute truth to your claim. The following is where we are presently with Obama:

Listen, maybe you have one eye and one ear, and this is the reason you are not comprehending my message...
It's a fact that Obama wants to become President. It's a fact the he supports muslims. It's a fact that he lied and tried to conceal who he really is... Is this the man you want to represent America? No, I didn't think so...

heyjude122 · #10 (**permalink**) 02-17-2007, 12:40 AM

Flyhigher apparently has a source that is unknown. Maybe it is Pat Robertson.
Sounds like him. He never lets facts interfere with his pronouncements. His source is God.