Black voters should vote Obama b/c he is black

Badmutha · #11 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:01 PM

What other private citizens can we donate a holiday too???

Its a flag...don't look at it...quit whining...you'll live

Heckler · #12 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Badmutha

What other private citizens can we donate a holiday too???

Its a flag...don't look at it...quit whining...you'll live

Always the asshole eh bad moth?

Brian made excellent points on all counts, and then you puke up this kind of response?

Palin loves ya baby, yer a Maverick, you betcha!

Brian Hussein Crooks · #13 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:09 PM

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thats the dumbest thing ive ever read, so he should be proud of the flag that people used to promote racism and since black people were treated as dogs by the people who had such flags he should be honored?

We need to end that attitude and those kind of reactions. This is why we can't discuss race in this country. People are too reactionary and it makes everyone afraid to ask questions. I love talking race and not getting angry. It's not entirely the fault of non-Blacks that they don't understand us. They've made no attempt to and we've been less than welcoming in many cases. She had an honest question and I hope I was able to answer it for her.

Brian Hussein Crooks · #14 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Badmutha

What other private citizens can we donate a holiday too???

Its a flag...don't look at it...quit whining...you'll live

Well, let's see. There's Columbus Day and he was a private citizen. Then, there's Valentine's day and he's imaginary. We also celebrate many regional holidays. In my part of the country, the kids are out of school on Kazimir Pulaski day. If Pulaski was a national hero, it would probably be a national holiday.

Regardless of if I want to look at it or not, it's an extremely anti-American stance to want the flag of a nation founded on the destruction of America to fly above American statehouses. Would you support flying a WWII era Japanese flag above the San Francisco City Hall because there are a lot of Japanese citizens there? How about a Nazi flag over the Texas courthouse because Houston has a high German population?

Joe_DFW · #15 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:17 PM

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See, I disagree. We'll have a lot of Black people voting for Obama because McCain voted against MLK Day and voiced support for the confederate flag in SC. The Democrats could've run anyone from their primary and they would get 90%+ among Black voters. And I certainly disagree that it will be a net plus. If that was the case, we would have Black politicians all over the place. Historically, it has been much more of a hindrance than an assistance to be a Black candidate.

Brian, I think it's a stretch to compare this historical presidential race to everyday elections. Also, there are black politicians all over the place. The election of Barack Obama as president would be quite a statement for the black community. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a little pride. And, if I were black, I know that I would be really proud to be present during such a historic time for my race.

naturemomma · #16 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:20 PM

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Yes, it's a part of our history much in the same way that a Swastika is part of Jewish history. It represents not what was overcome but what we went through, and there's a real difference. The fact that even today, I can go to certain parts of this country and have that flag shown to me as a threatening symbol is enough to make me not want it on a statehouse. Regardless, his voting record on MLK is enough to turn off way more than 90% of Black voters. That to us is like voting against Washington's birthday being a holiday.

Thanks for answering... I understand your point.
My best friend is black, and we often joke that it would be funny for all black people to put the flag on their cars, wave it from their house, and wear it on t-shirts... It would confuse the hell outta white folks... They wouldn't know what in the hell to think. They'd probably stop using it, and the flag would instead represent something positive, rather than negative...

Brian Hussein Crooks · #17 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:20 PM

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Brian, I think it's a stretch to compare this historical presidential race to everyday elections. Also, there are black politicians all over the place. The election of Barack Obama as president would be quite a statement for the black community. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a little pride. And, if I were black, I know that I would be really proud to be present during such a historic time for my race.

I'm extremely proud, but that doesn't mean I would just blindly support any Black candidate. My original candidate was Bill Richardson. If Obama came out in a tall tee, baggy jeans, gold teeth and Air Force Ones, I wouldn't support his candidacy just because we have the same skin color. Be proud, but for the right reason. I'm not proud for Obama for being Black, I'm proud of America for looking past that.

Brian Hussein Crooks · #18 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:22 PM

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Thanks for answering... I understand your point.
My best friend is black, and we often joke that it would be funny for all black people to put the flag on their cars, wave it from their house, and wear it on t-shirts... It would confuse the hell outta white folks... They wouldn't know what in the hell to think. They'd probably stop using it, and the flag would instead represent something positive, rather than negative...

Yeah, we tried that with the N-word and the White racists just laughed at us as suburban White kids thought it was cool for everyone to use it. Best we just stigmatize it for being not only anti-Black, but anti-American. Let's not forget, more Americans died fighting in the Civil War than any other war, and that war was started under that flag.

naturemomma · #19 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:23 PM

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We need to end that attitude and those kind of reactions. This is why we can't discuss race in this country. People are too reactionary and it makes everyone afraid to ask questions. I love talking race and not getting angry. It's not entirely the fault of non-Blacks that they don't understand us. They've made no attempt to and we've been less than welcoming in many cases. She had an honest question and I hope I was able to answer it for her.

Thank you, nice post, and I agree, people should discuss this more often... Lord knows I want my kids to live in a better world than the one I grew up in...

Brian Hussein Crooks · #20 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:36 PM

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Thank you, nice post, and I agree, people should discuss this more often... Lord knows I want my kids to live in a better world than the one I grew up in...

Exactly. The problem is that after the Cosby Show, Black people largely figured that Whites knew what offended us and why. As a result, the things that offended us were deemed deliberate and Whites stopped asking questions. 44 years after the Civil Rights Act, where are we? Mitt Romney singing "Who let the dogs out" during a photo op with Black high school students as a way to ingratiate himself. We need to be candid and ask questions when we have them, and accept the answers given. Newsflash, White America: Race relations aren't fair. No, it's not fair that some Blacks use the N-word around themselves and White people can't. And it's not fair that Black college students can take advantage of Affirmative Action. But for 20+ generations, life has been unfair for Blacks both in America and in Africa. The sooner White America can understand this, the sooner things will turn around.