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Old 06-18-2008, 11:16 AM
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Given the current state of our policies, you will be lucky if you have any grandkids!! What an assumption that is!!
All our grandkids.
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Why does it matter if we ask for more oil from the saudi's, or if we produce it ourselves... Same amount of polution, only difference is, we actually benefit. Gosh, that'd be nice for once.
I would never ask anyone to produce more oil as I feel this would just keep alive the "energy wasting" or "energy entitled" attitude that has a STRANGLEHOLD on our country. As noted by the voters in this poll.

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Our health, and our furture depends on becoming self reliant, once again. The problem is that people such as yourself say it isn't worth it, or that it's not a solution for right now... We had our chance 30 years ago, 20, 10.. and everyone has sat on their ass and now the biggest super power (atleast in previous years) is now dependant on other nations, (who hate us btw), for the growth and prosperity of our country!!! That's just bullshit my friend. Utter bullshit.
No Bullshit. Our vehicles while the technology has improved and built-in efficiency of them, they have just added size and weight to remove any gain in fuel savings. Our houses and appliances, while better than before have just gotten bigger while our families have gotten smaller. Burning just as much or more fuel as ever is poisoning our nature, momma. Thats is what our health depends on, clean air, clean water, clean nature. Too bad there aren't 11 commandments, with the 11th being thou shall not pollute, or thou shall conserve our planets resources.
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I agree that going green would be good, but why isn't possible to do both??? Have we, as AMericans, decided to limit ourselves? Have we decided that we are weak and not capable to accomplish such a task? I haven't. Though it sounds like you have.
We could do both if I had my way but we did the oil for the last 30years and look where we are? If you leave it up to the energy companies that have been around forever, their incentive is the "status quo".
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This oil bullshit is effecting our economy, our way of life, and causing starvation around the world. Sorry, but I care about people more than tree's. Or animals. But, that's just me.
Where was the outrage when we canceled the CAFE standard increases in 2000-2001?
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As far as heroin, seems you're the only one hooked on that. Get a clue!
Well not sure about heroine, but somewhere else you stated what a wonderful conservationist you were and how I was probably not recycling or whatever. Well from those assessments I can tell that you don't read my posts. I'm always trying to figure out ways to use less energy. Search for posts by seeker and you'll find a pretty recent one with a lot of how I individually try to conserve energy. It is my belief that if everyone in this country tried as hard to conserve energy as I do energy costs would be significantly less.

In conclusion, drill more, drill here, pay less should be replaced with conserve more, conserve now, pay less.
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Old 06-18-2008, 11:23 AM
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I agree with your last line, and some of the others... But our entire economy is based on oil....

Food, energy, from what a comapany makes, to what they install. Mailing a check, getting a service, making a call, everything is dependant on oil.

I too believe in conserving. Did you know that if everyone in the country used non-petroleum based dish soap, we (US) would save 15 billion barrels of oil per year?
But we need to do all these things in conjunction. We really have no choice.

And you are right, I have not read many of your posts, actually, until today, I don't think I ever saw you around here before....
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Old 06-18-2008, 11:35 AM
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Well you can see when I joined and there are many samples to choose from across the board.

I consider myself conservative on some issues and progressive on others, and yet middle of the road on others.

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Old 06-18-2008, 11:57 AM
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I agree with your last line, and some of the others... But our entire economy is based on oil....

Food, energy, from what a comapany makes, to what they install. Mailing a check, getting a service, making a call, everything is dependant on oil.

I too believe in conserving. Did you know that if everyone in the country used non-petroleum based dish soap, we (US) would save 15 billion barrels of oil per year?
But we need to do all these things in conjunction. We really have no choice.

And you are right, I have not read many of your posts, actually, until today, I don't think I ever saw you around here before....
Hi naturemama, If drilling here would benifit us so much how come the oil companies aren't using the leased land they know have oil now? What makes you think they would actually drill if its to thier benifit to keep supply limited? Is this just a distration from the real issue of needing alternate sources and a way to keep the oil companies in control ? Is this just a feel good measure for us, because it won't do anything to bring down prices for years and may not even do that because of the global market. I have no problem with drilling for oil but think this is a lot of smoke and mirrors to avoid real solutions that the oil companies may not benifit finacially from.
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:26 PM
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If drilling here would benifit us so much how come the oil companies aren't using the leased land they know have oil now?
Because the EPA/Sierra Club/Democrat Party have put up 10,000 hoops and regulations for them to jump through.

Just because land is opened up for drilling does not mean the RIGHTS OF ENDANGERD RATS AND CARIBOU are non-existant.....the democrat party and Sierra Club see to that.

The well being of endangered rats over the well being of you and your family....if your worried about the rats...vote democrat
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:27 PM
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Hi naturemama, If drilling here would benifit us so much how come the oil companies aren't using the leased land they know have oil now?
How do you know how much oil is on that leased land? I mean, there could be next to nothing there at all. The government knows for a fact that the areas under the ban are significant enough to make a difference in the shortest amount of time.

At minimum, lifting the ban on offshore exploration would allow us to search for unknown oil reserves that may provide oil for hundreds of years. But without the ability to look for it we'll never know. Brazil just located an enormous field off their shores that will transform the country from a buyer to self sufficiency.

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"If this is confirmed, we will no longer be a 'medium' country, pursuing self-sufficiency and exporting a little. It will transform the nation to another level, with exporting properties like Venezuela, Arab nations and others," said Dilma Rousseff, presidential chief of staff.

For a country that went deeply into debt buying foreign oil in the 1970s and '80s, "this has changed our reality," she said.
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:55 PM
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Hi naturemama, If drilling here would benifit us so much how come the oil companies aren't using the leased land they know have oil now? What makes you think they would actually drill if its to thier benifit to keep supply limited? Is this just a distration from the real issue of needing alternate sources and a way to keep the oil companies in control ? Is this just a feel good measure for us, because it won't do anything to bring down prices for years and may not even do that because of the global market. I have no problem with drilling for oil but think this is a lot of smoke and mirrors to avoid real solutions that the oil companies may not benifit finacially from.
Much of the "leased land" is actually land that the oil companies, have themselves, turned into wildlife preserves. Exxon has one of the biggest...

It is not to the benefit of the oil company to keep prices low, they want to produce, but are not allowed to do so... I have said many times, the price is high, due to speculators, not the oil companies themselves.

I find it odd that people are fine with the price of oil, and see no need for our own drilling. Really, it baffles me. Who better to be in charge of our oil production, than us. It would create jobs and better our economy. Are you ok with the saudi's being rich, and Americans poor?

If we began drilling tomorrow the price of oil would drop drastically. We are the largest consumer of oil next in line to China and India. If the saudi's new we were going to take care of ourselves then they would boost production to keep our business. As it stands now, they hold all the cards and we are their bitch.

Another thing, don't you find it hypocrital that we demand them to produce more on their land, reuining their enviroment, all the while keeping ours precious? Do you think that shows the ability to work well with others? No, I am sure it pisses them off. Once again the high and mighty Americans demand something, ooooh. They see us as hypocrites. We ask them to work harder so we don't have to. It's rude.

Don't you find it odd that the saudi's will be producing more barrells now (news broke yesterday), and then today Bush demands the actions of congress? I think the saudi's would be more willing to work with us, if we were able to help ourselves as well. We have turned into a welfare country, and I for one am sick it.
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Cant believe this has almost hit a million in a single day. If this doesnt send a strong message to congress, nothing will.
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:28 PM
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The real solution has been posted over and over....

Conserve more, and diversify the energy sources.

We've already spent way too long on "it can't be done! it will ruin the economy!"

We wouldn't be in Iraq today if that call had been heeded much earlier...
Instead we allowed fear of economic collapse determine our policies.

Quit being afraid, damnit!!!!!
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:39 PM
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The real solution has been posted over and over....

Conserve more, and diversify the energy sources.

We've already spent way too long on "it can't be done! it will ruin the economy!"

We wouldn't be in Iraq today if that call had been heeded much earlier...
Instead we allowed fear of economic collapse determine our policies.

Quit being afraid, damnit!!!!!
Someone needs to tell Democrats in Congress.

Today, Democrats said nothing about alternative fuel sources, all they could do is talk about global warming with no solution.

We all know Democrats want Americans to pay carbon taxes and that will never happen if we can keep Democrats from blocking alternative fuel sources.

Democrats have been working with oil future traders to increase the cost of oil.
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