Drill here, Drill now, Pay Less.

naturemomma · #11 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by seeker

More from the have your cake now and screw the future policies. You, Newt and your ilk are irresponsible short term thinkers, cough, cough, excuse me while your grandkids and mine choke on the pollution. When your in a well(hole) keep drilling(digging). Ever head of that one.

The very first thing gwbush and the repubs did was change CAFE standards legislation and also changed the way oil futures were traded. Don't fall for the false media campaign your being fed. Or are you easily manipulated? Don't be the ones that the powers that be can wag around on the end of a media campaign.

Our health, our future depends on changing course, we need this dramatic problem to spur the changes, not just get more heroine. Think.

Newt Gingrich, isn't he a historian, politician, adulterer? When did he become trustworthy?

Given the current state of our policies, you will be lucky if you have any grandkids!! What an assumption that is!!

Why does it matter if we ask for more oil from the saudi's, or if we produce it ourselves... Same amount of polution, only difference is, we actually benefit. Gosh, that'd be nice for once.

Our health, and our furture depends on becoming self reliant, once again. The problem is that people such as yourself say it isn't worth it, or that it's not a solution for right now... We had our chance 30 years ago, 20, 10.. and everyone has sat on their ass and now the biggest super power (atleast in previous years) is now dependant on other nations, (who hate us btw), for the growth and prosperity of our country!!! That's just bullshit my friend. Utter bullshit.

I agree that going green would be good, but why isn't possible to do both??? Have we, as AMericans, decided to limit ourselves? Have we decided that we are weak and not capable to accomplish such a task? I haven't. Though it sounds like you have.

This oil bullshit is effecting our economy, our way of life, and causing starvation around the world. Sorry, but I care about people more than tree's. Or animals. But, that's just me.

As far as heroin, seems you're the only one hooked on that. Get a clue!

areyoushittin'me? · #12 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 08:58 AM

Oil is a commodity traded on the world market.

Most of the oil companies are international nowadays.

Yes, if we drill it, there would be more taxes in the coffers, however, due to subsidies the effect wouldn't be all that great if drilled here.

Still, we have limited supply and the problem is the vast recent increases in demand by other countries such as China and India.

World consumption is over 80 million barrels per day.

Saudi's could increase production by about 1 million barrels per day...

...that's what? About 1 and a quarter percent?

Figure it out.

naturemomma · #13 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 09:04 AM

That thinking has gotten here.... Everyone says we shouldn't do it.... What problems will arise in the future if we don't act now?

And why is it that these people keep saying "if opec produces more oil then it will lower the price by 60 cents per gallon", but if we drill here, it only lower the costs by a few cents? That's rediculous. ANd people just go on in their merry lives, without asking questions... stupid.

naturemomma · #14 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by seeker

More from the have your cake now and screw the future policies. You, Newt and your ilk are irresponsible short term thinkers, cough, cough, excuse me while your grandkids and mine choke on the pollution. When your in a well(hole) keep drilling(digging). Ever head of that one.

This really bothers me... Me and Newt, and our ilk... Gosh, you assume too much.

I am a conservationalist, I conserve so much that it would your head spin... I use water barrels for irrigation, only use native plants in my yard - and those that require little water, no electricity (lighting) during daylight hours, DRive as little as possible, use energy efficient appliances and light buls, take my own tupperware to restaurants, never eat at places that use styrofaom, never drink water from a bottle, and I recycle. I can't conserve any more than I already do.... Do you? I see you bitching about something, but are you part of the problem, or part of the solution?

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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?

It's just a bunch of feel good politics...drilling is not the answer.

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We use over 20 million barrels per day

1 billion barrels would provide for all of our needs for less than 50 days.

Current reserve estimates are 21 Billion barrels.

What's the plan for three years down the road?

(I realize we couldn't and wouldn't produce it fast enough to provide for all of our needs...just trying to present a bit of perspective).

So, when you are out of bread at your house, do you just go with out? Is going to the store for more bread, not part of your solution? Or do you import it in? Do you pay S&H charges? Or do you you go just down the road and buy more bread, because it's economically feasible? Or perhaps you send someone that hates you to get it? All the while hoping they don't keep your change?

Really?

areyoushittin'me? · #15 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

That thinking has gotten here.... Everyone says we shouldn't do it.... What problems will arise in the future if we don't act now?

And why is it that these people keep saying "if opec produces more oil then it will lower the price by 60 cents per gallon", but if we drill here, it only lower the costs by a few cents? That's rediculous. ANd people just go on in their merry lives, without asking questions... stupid.

I'm not saying we shouldn't drill, I'm just pointing out a bit of reality about it...hell, I made a damn good living drilling oil wells and then going on to have them drilled for me when I became a drilling foreman for a major oil company...I've got no problems with drilling and I sure as hell don't buy into any tree hugger bullshit.

I don't know about the people of which you speak...simple fact of the matter is...oil is a world traded commodity...if we drilled ANWR there is a good possibility that we wouldn't even be the ones to use that oil.

areyoushittin'me? · #16 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

So, when you are out of bread at your house, do you just go with out? Is going to the store for more bread, not part of your solution? Or do you import it in? Do you pay S&H charges? Or do you you go just down the road and buy more bread, because it's economically feasible? Or perhaps you send someone that hates you to get it? All the while hoping they don't keep your change?

Really?

Actually, I plan ahead and don't run out of bread.

Do you have any concept on what it takes to drill enough oil wells to produce a million barrels per day?

Gummer · #17 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

I know many people don't like Newt... However, he has started a petition to promote drilling in America.

American Solutions - Petitions

Thought some of you may want to sign it, and pass it on to family and friends. For those of you don't, fuck off.

It's time that we take our country back. It belongs to Americans, we should be depending on ourselves!!!

I signed the petition .......

"We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices (and diesel and other fuel prices)* by authorizing the exploration of proven energy
reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries."

The part ......by authorizing the exploration of proven energy
reserves ......makes me wonder who wrote the petition ..... it should say authorizing drilling and/or production ..... the "exploration" has been done long ago, otherwise they wouldn't be "proven" reserves ....

areyoushittin'me? · #18 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 10:05 AM

Momma, I'm gonna head over to the casino for a bit but let me leave you with a thought or three...

I just heard Bush speak on this...

He said this problem has been mounting over the last couple of decades and he is now blaming a Democratic Congress...

Ask yourself why didn't the Republicans do something about it when they had control?

He mentioned that the majority of our oil was imported and then a bit later he mentioned that we had enough oil that we could meet our needs at our current rate of our production for 10 years...think about that.

Also, after a bit Realist1 will likely come along and bring up the trillion or so barrels of oil shale that we have, just as Bush did...funny part on that was that Bush said it was recoverable and then stopped and added "if" it is recoverable...that's a big if.

After Realist1 comes along and once again makes his claims I will once again provide the conclusions of a study regarding the development of the insitu process that would be needed to recover that kerogen...a study that concludes that we "might" be able to have it in full production by 2030 IF everything works out according to "hopes".

Have a good day.

p.s. This issue is political posturing which I wouldn't mind so much if it would yield us a good fiscally Conservative President to offset a rather Liberal Congress...but it can't this election season.

naturemomma · #19 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?

Momma, I'm gonna head over to the casino for a bit but let me leave you with a thought or three...

I just heard Bush speak on this...

He said this problem has been mounting over the last couple of decades and he is now blaming a Democratic Congress...

Ask yourself why didn't the Republicans do something about it when they had control?

I agree with that, 100% - I blame everyone... I'm not partial to one or another. Anyone who has had any power to do something, should have. The truth is, everyone has failed.

He mentioned that the majority of our oil was imported and then a bit later he mentioned that we had enough oil that we could meet our needs at our current rate of our production for 10 years...think about that.

Also, after a bit Realist1 will likely come along and bring up the trillion or so barrels of oil shale that we have, just as Bush did...funny part on that was that Bush said it was recoverable and then stopped and added "if" it is recoverable...that's a big if.

I think by the "if" he meant that if the dems in congress allow it.

After Realist1 comes along and once again makes his claims I will once again provide the conclusions of a study regarding the development of the insitu process that would be needed to recover that kerogen...a study that concludes that we "might" be able to have it in full production by 2030 IF everything works out according to "hopes".

That's part of the problem I'm talking about. People said the same thing 30 years ago. They decided not to act because it wouldn't serve our undying need for instant gratification.

Have a good day.

You too, good luck at the casino!... I won BIngo once, won 2800.00.. I love bingo... What's your game?

p.s. This issue is political posturing which I wouldn't mind so much if it would yield us a good fiscally Conservative President to offset a rather Liberal Congress...but it can't this election season.

I agree, I ususally like balance myself, but I don't see that happening. People have lost sight of balance.

naturemomma · #20 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummer

I signed the petition .......

"We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices (and diesel and other fuel prices)* by authorizing the exploration of proven energy
reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries."

The part ......by authorizing the exploration of proven energy
reserves ......makes me wonder who wrote the petition ..... it should say authorizing drilling and/or production ..... the "exploration" has been done long ago, otherwise they wouldn't be "proven" reserves ....

Good job gummer!!!