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06-04-2008, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Obama's Empty Suit
I knew Obamorons were shallow but I had no idea this would turn into a beauty contest. What a bunch of knob gobblers lining up to take his load in the face...
Obama vs Lincoln Who wins?
Anyone with an ounce of sense votes Lincoln, while Obamorons counter by calling him an ugly bastard... 
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Hell, you're just an empty suit so why should anyone listen to you?
You're missing the point...it's not a beauty contest...at least not as far as I'm concerned...then again, I'm still an uncommitted Indy who actually came out in support of McCain but decided to look into Obama because of some of the absurdities presented about him and as I've learned more I've become undecided.
Getting back to the "smile"...it's not that it is weird in some way...it's the timing in which I saw him interject it into the speech...similar to Bush and his smirk...it just sends a signal that does not appear sincere
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06-04-2008, 10:01 PM
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The idea of the townhall debates that McCain wants to have is going to be a detriment to him, I believe, and here's why...
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I think you have it backwards and McCain is going to clean Obama's clock. We all know Obama talks a good game, he has dutifully studied the MLK videos and got the cadence down just right. But take away the scripted rhetoric and it becomes crystal clear that he's an empty suit. Give him an Emmy, not the WH...
McCain on the other hand has thrived in the Town Hall format and is much more relaxed in a spontaneous debate. He knows exactly what he's doing by pulling Obama away from giving speeches and forcing him to answer impromptu questions that aren't teed up for him by liberal news pundits.
I sincerely hope Obama takes McCain up on this offer, but he's already hedging and asking for a filibuster style format where he can just keep repeating his scripted catch phrases without offering any substance.
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He'd get so high, he spoke at mile high, just who is this clown?
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06-04-2008, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
Hell, you're just an empty suit so why should anyone listen to you?
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It's working for Obama isn't it?
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Has there ever been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements?
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I knew a man Bojangles and he'd dance for you, he hasn't a clue
Nappy hair, a Gucci suit and silly chants, that old soft shoe
He'd get so high, he spoke at mile high, just who is this clown?
Mr. Bojangles, Mr. Bojangles, dance.
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06-04-2008, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Obama's Empty Suit
I think you have it backwards and McCain is going to clean Obama's clock. We all know Obama talks a good game, he has dutifully studied the MLK videos and got the cadence down just right. But take away the scripted rhetoric and it becomes crystal clear that he's an empty suit. Give him an Emmy, not the WH...
McCain on the other hand has thrived in the Town Hall format and is much more relaxed in a spontaneous debate. He knows exactly what he's doing by pulling Obama away from giving speeches and forcing him to answer impromptu questions that aren't teed up for him by liberal news pundits.
I sincerely hope Obama takes McCain up on this offer, but he's already hedging and asking for a filibuster style format where he can just keep repeating his scripted catch phrases without offering any substance.
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I realize you believe that Obama hasn't said or done anything...I could give you a link to his positions, including his congressional votes but you would just ignore it anyway so I won't bother.
Yes, we shall see how the debates go.
All I've heard is that Obama is wanting the debates too...care to provide substantion of your claim otherwise?
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06-04-2008, 10:14 PM
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It's working for Obama isn't it?
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Ok, like I said, you probably won't bother to read and learn but someone else might prefer to not remain ignorant...
Barack Obama on the Issues
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06-04-2008, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
I realize you believe that Obama hasn't said or done anything...I could give you a link to his positions, including his congressional votes but you would just ignore it anyway so I won't bother.
Yes, we shall see how the debates go.
All I've heard is that Obama is wanting the debates too...care to provide substantion of your claim otherwise?
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Well actually Obama has said plenty... Of the same things over and over and over again. Lots of empty promises that I don't think even he believes he can pay for.
As far as the town hall meetings, here's what the Obama camp said today.
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"The idea of joint town halls is appealing and one that would allow a great conversation to take place about the need to change the direction of this country," he said in a statement released by the Obama campaign.
"We would recommend a format that is less structured and lengthier than the McCain campaign suggests, one that more closely resembles the historic debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas.
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Here is an overview of the Lincoln Douglas debates.
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Each debate had this format: one candidate spoke for an hour, then the other candidate spoke for an hour and a half, and then the first candidate was allowed a half hour "rejoinder." The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates.
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Who would benefit from this format, and why is Obama afraid to answer spontaneous questions from the audience?
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Has there ever been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements?
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I knew a man Bojangles and he'd dance for you, he hasn't a clue
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He'd get so high, he spoke at mile high, just who is this clown?
Mr. Bojangles, Mr. Bojangles, dance.
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06-04-2008, 10:34 PM
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As far as the town hall meetings, here's what the Obama camp said today.
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Thanks...it will be interesting to see what they come up with...probably an assortment of styles...we'll see.
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06-04-2008, 10:42 PM
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McCain is not a good speaker. His forte are questions and detailed answers concerning policies. That's why he wants 10 town hall meetings with Obama.
Obama can not handle direct tough questions concerning policies.
Obama will do his best to dodge direct questions. Obama can only make good, scripted, teleprompter speeches.
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06-04-2008, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
You must admit, McCain's speech was terrible. He makes Bob Dole look good. I swear he looks mummified and his speaking style is horrendous. What about that weird smile? You can talk about substance all you want but, unless he improves on what he showed last night, this is going to be a real problem for him.
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
That may be true but it doesn't change the fact that McCains speech was pathetic...he seemed "flat" and that smile...it just seemed like he was so proud everytime he said anything at all that got any response.
I'm hoping to see more from McCain and quite honestly, I think he is making a big mistake wanting to get on stage with Obama...we shall see.
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McCain isn't a good speaker, but most do agree that he is good at the town hall meetings, and many also say that Obama is much better at the canned speeches than the town hall meeting scenario. McCain is challenging Obama to a town hall meeting I believe, and that may put a chink in Obama's armor when it comes to his speaking ability.
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06-04-2008, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wow
McCain is not a good speaker. His forte are questions and detailed answers concerning policies. That's why he wants 10 town hall meetings with Obama.
Obama can not handle direct tough questions concerning policies.
Obama will do his best to dodge direct questions. Obama can only make good, scripted, teleprompter speeches.
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Unfortunately for McCain, he can do neither well. Direct questions or teleprompter readings. After 8 years of a poor speaker as President, this will only serve to remind people of McCain being a third Bush term.
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