McCain friend Rev Hagee says Hitler was fulfilling Gods Will

Back Atcha · #21 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 02:15 AM

First, let me say that I am woefully unqualified to comment on this, as I don't watch/read mainstream media, and only have a vague idea of who these characters are. So I will leave it to the better informed to let me know if I am off base or not.

From what I've gathered about what has been said so far, I think I kind of understand where this schmuck is coming from. It appears that there is a significant number of high profile folks in the Christian fundie zone that are cheering for the second coming of Christ, Armageddon and the like. For them, any move toward fulfilling this prophecy is a good thing. Bring on the wars, rumors of wars, disease, famines and the like.

I think this Hagee fella thought what he was saying was a positive, and surely won't understand any backlash that may come about from this story. From his view, running the Jewish people out of Europe was a necessary step in fulfilling a divine prophecy.

There are more than a few that share this philosophy in the White House, whether they are actually religious or not. Even if they aren't, it's a mighty fine justification for waging questionable wars.

Thoughts?

cat's meow · #22 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Saw the entire thing.

He went way beyond what Peck said. Not only that, he has a lot of other stuff that can't be blamed on quoting former ambassadors.

Obama even distances himself from Wright. He recognized Wright's statements for what they are, why can't his supporters?

Again, I am not a Wright fan. But, I have heard much more offensive sermons by other pastors when it comes to other subjects, such as denouncing gays. The post 9/11 view of what America has been doing or not doing has many differing opinions, the answer was certainly not to become MORE interventionist in Iraq. You will not see me agreeing with numerous aspects of the foriegn policy of Manafest Destiny or interventionism that America has used since the Monroe Doctrine starting with people like Andrew Jackson.

Are you talking about Obama's or Wright's supporters?

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Hagee preaches to the choir from what I understand. Until this election season I didn't know who Hagee was.

I would guess that just as many if not more people know who Wright is . . . . now.

Uh...hmmm...

I knew plenty about Hagee, I am not sure how you missed his "end of days" thing he has pushed so hard. We have actually talked about him on this forum since 2006.

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He didn't have to seek it and it wouldn't matter that much if he did. The endorsement is out there and it hasn't been renounced, and for someone to call on McCain to renounce endorsements they should also call on Obama to renounce certain endorsements.

Well...I guess the LF endorsement is on the level of what you think that Hagee is, he is just not seen that much to matter? You personally seem to be more aware of LF than Hagee.

cat's meow · #23 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

For them, any move toward fulfilling this prophecy is a good thing. Bring on the wars, rumors of wars, disease, famines and the like.

I think this Hagee fella thought what he was saying was a positive, and surely won't understand any backlash that may come about from this story. From his view, running the Jewish people out of Europe was a necessary step in fulfilling a divine prophecy.

There are more than a few that share this philosophy in the White House, whether they are actually religious or not.

Yes, this is part of it and this is where it gets extremely scary. McCain is seen by numerous right wing evangelicals as an acceptable path to fulfill this idiotic prophecy. Hagee regularly preachess this BS on TV; he can 'take back' all the comments he wants but he will keep saying the same BS about prophecy no matter what. Damn, the dude even talked about this with Terri Gross on NPR...the surprise and 'oh, really' in her voice was priceless.

Back Atcha · #24 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 02:48 AM

Hmmm, was that a recent interview with Terri? I'll have to look it up and give a listen.

Thanx Cat

Upton · #25 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Where did it say he actively sought Hagee's endorsement?

Straight from the horse's mouth:

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"It's true that [John] McCain's campaign sought my endorsement."

McCain has attempted to distance himself from some of Hagee's views, much as Barack Obama is doing in relation to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But unlike McCain, Obama has not stood on stage with Wright and accepted his accolades this year.

Hagee, in 'NYT' This Sunday, Says McCain Sought His Endorsement

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As a prominent evangelical pastor based in San Antonio, you were recently catapulted into national controversy when you endorsed Senator John McCain for president. Is it true that McCain actively sought your endorsement? "It’s true that McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/ma...wwln-q4-t.html

Dom1 · #26 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Again, I am not a Wright fan. But, I have heard much more offensive sermons by other pastors when it comes to other subjects, such as denouncing gays. The post 9/11 view of what America has been doing or not doing has many differing opinions, the answer was certainly not to become MORE interventionist in Iraq. You will not see me agreeing with numerous aspects of the foriegn policy of Manafest Destiny or interventionism that America has used since the Monroe Doctrine starting with people like Andrew Jackson.

Are you talking about Obama's or Wright's supporters?

Talking about Obama's supporters. Obama attempts to himself distance himself from these statements while his supporters make escuses for these statements.

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I knew plenty about Hagee, I am not sure how you missed his "end of days" thing he has pushed so hard. We have actually talked about him on this forum since 2006.

Why would I have heard of Hagee before this election cycle? I am Catholic and I don't think he plays well in Catholic circles.

This election cycle started a little after 2006.

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Well...I guess the LF endorsement is on the level of what you think that Hagee is, he is just not seen that much to matter? You personally seem to be more aware of LF than Hagee.

Farrakhan has been in the news for quite a while, Hagee has not. Farrakhan has been in the news for quite a few things over the years.

Dom1 · #27 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Upton

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Hagee, in 'NYT' This Sunday, Says McCain Sought His Endorsement

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/ma...wwln-q4-t.html

He distanced himself from a lot of Hagee's views the very next day . . . . and that actually does come straight from the horses mouth, since it was McCain who said it.

Only a hypocrit such as yourself would say he should renounce Hagee while not saying that Obama should renounce Wright and Farrakhan.

Go back to posting stupid shit about Cindy McCain, you know, those high quality political arguments.

Dom1 · #28 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 09:28 AM

Based on Upton's postings he thinks that Michelle Obama, Reverend Wright, and Louis Farrakhan are serious political concerns, right Upton?

areyoushittin'me? · #29 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Where did it say he actively sought Hagee's endorsement?

That's old news.

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Speaking of "pastor problems", would Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan count?

Prolly so.

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In the article you linked it said that Hagee supported McCain in part because of a pro-Israeli policy.

Yeah, Obama just attended Wright's sermons for twenty years. That actually puts him well behind, in case you didn't notice.

Why would he need to seek Wright's endorsement? He already had it.

Not only that, he got Louis Farrakhan to endorse him as well.

Why is it every time someone brings up an issue we are faced with the old, "I know you are but what am I" schoolyard argument?

Do you support McCain being endorsed by Hagee?

Do you think it will help or hurt McCain?

areyoushittin'me? · #30 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 11:34 AM

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Now this is the Dom I like to see... I will wait to see how Upton responds to this...

Not surprising considering it is probably one of his poorer responses.