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Old 05-20-2008, 10:57 AM
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Default "Appeasement" as a campaign issue ...

Rightwingers can surely dream up some pretty darn goofy campaign issues, can't they? I wasn't there, but I'd bet "appeasement" was an issue in Richmond before the Civil War. "We can't appease the Yanks, those godless liberals will take away our niggers."

But, before we forget, Chamberlain was a member of the British Conservative Party, and it was the Republicans in the U.S. House and Senate who fought Roosevelt tooth and nail about getting us into WWII. Remember WWII? Remember when there was a REAL Hitler.

I think Republicans (Bush and McCain) ought to drop the 'appeasement' issue. They are looking like village idiots.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:09 AM
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When Bush was talking about Carter why did Obama get defensive? It seems he gets like that a lot. He also tends to think a lot people who criticize him are racist.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:20 AM
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Speaking of political ploys we can all count on this approach this summer. 1) any time someone mentions anything about Obama's wife, religious activities, or anything involving his private life....this will be cast as racism, race baiting..etc. 2) Every time John McCain opens his mouth others will misdirect away from his words and start talking about George Bush and this being a 3rd term. 3.) The mean old conservatives will try and take away the old peoples social security, and the minorities entitlement programs. 4) George Bushhhhhhhhhhhhhh and the conservatives are responsible for the high gas prices. 5) It's all about the economy "damn it". Despite the fact that Liberals have been sitting in power of congress for 18 months....with the lowest approval rating in history, even worse than Mr. Bushhhhhhhhhhhh. 6) Bush 7) Bush 8) Bush 9) Bush 10) Bushhhhhhhhhh. As easy to read as a bad "B" movie script from the 50s.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:21 AM
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I’m beginning to think Sen. Obama has some anger issues. (Not that McCain doesn’t) He flies off the handle a lot recently. Appeasement, his wife, race, Hillary, It seems he doesn’t deal with pressure well. While I’m sure the pressure cooker of this primary season is pretty high, it’s nothing compared to being president.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:25 AM
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1. The Nation of Islam promotes hatred and violence against Americans with white skin......The Nation of Islam supports Obama.

2. All terrorist organizations endorse Obama........then Obama says he will negotiate with these same terrorists organizations.

3. Obama knows the Al Qaida went to Iraq because of the invasion of Afghanistan and Obama said he was against hunting down the terrorists in Iraq.

4. Obama says children are a punishment......the Al Qaida blows up school buses full of first graders.

That's 4 strikes......Obama is a terrorist appeaser!
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:28 AM
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I’m beginning to think Sen. Obama has some anger issues. (Not that McCain doesn’t) He flies off the handle a lot recently. Appeasement, his wife, race, Hillary, It seems he doesn’t deal with pressure well. While I’m sure the pressure cooker of this primary season is pretty high, it’s nothing compared to being president.
Exactly!
Look at his facial expressions now when he speaks.
Obama thought he was in for a free ride and now feels betrayed like his witch of a wife.
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I’m beginning to think Sen. Obama has some anger issues. (Not that McCain doesn’t) He flies off the handle a lot recently. Appeasement, his wife, race, Hillary, It seems he doesn’t deal with pressure well. While I’m sure the pressure cooker of this primary season is pretty high, it’s nothing compared to being president.
Nor facing the Republican Attach Machine with billions of dollars being pumped into it. He will be chewed up and spit out. Especially with a couple of films that some say are being held until he receives the nomination. One concerning his wife and some racial slurs and the other taken at a private gathering in the company of Louis Farrakhan with a "dubbie" being passed around in the background. If this is true, one can expect this about the last two weeks of Oct. BD

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Old 05-20-2008, 11:37 AM
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Nor facing the Republican Attach Machine with billions of dollars being pumped into it. He will be chewed up and spit out. Especially with a couple of films that some say are being held until he receives the nomination. One concerning his wife and some racial slurs and the other taken at a private gathering in the company of Louis Farrakhan with a "dubbie" being passed around in the background.
Your kidding right? I mean how could you not vote for someone who hangs at parties with joint smoking and Louis Farrakhan?

America is going to be a lot cooler place!
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[quote=George O Well;425181]Rightwingers can surely dream up some pretty darn goofy campaign issues, can't they? I wasn't there, but I'd bet "appeasement" was an issue in Richmond before the Civil War. "We can't appease the Yanks, those godless liberals will take away our niggers."

But, before we forget, Chamberlain was a member of the British Conservative Party, and it was the Republicans in the U.S. House and Senate who fought Roosevelt tooth and nail about getting us into WWII. Remember WWII? Remember when there was a REAL Hitler.

I think Republicans (Bush and McCain) ought to drop the 'appeasement' issue. They are looking like village idiots.[/QUOTE
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Well said, "GeorgeO", and at risk of being disrespectful, "they ARE the village idiots." [Its just that they are counting on the rest of us to be even more stupid & more idiotic then they are.]

I think Appease = to give something away in the "hopes" the aggressor will not take from you too. Talking & negiotating is NOT appeasement: of course all knowledgable people know that, but it is bothersome when a President & his heir apparent attempts to confuse the public into thinking that discussions & talking with those we oppose is not American.

Imagine what would have happened on several occasions during the Cold War if the sitting President had not talked & discussed the issues with the Soviets: Kennedy's back-door discussions with Kruschev saved the world from nuclear confrontation & are well documented during that period. Reagan's talks with the soviets eventually led to the fall of the Soviet Union with out nuclear devistation: and Nixon's discussions with China & Vietnam are were also historical steps to avoid conflict.

Both Bush & McCain should be dennounced for their dishonest trickery in such an important matter: to hell with steroids & base-ball, here is a real issue for the Congress to address.

(Chris Matthews on MSNBC last Friday, exposed a Conservative Republican Radio Talk-show fool [Kevin James] when Chris ask him, "well tell me what Chamberlin did to appease Hitler." Mr. James could not answer the question, and eventually had to admit "he did not know",) This loud mouth was talking but did not know what he was talking about: I suspect a lot of that happens with these Radio Talk Show blunder-bust. ...pjwky
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Of course you would want them to drop the appeasement issue. Libs don't want to discuss it. Libs want it both ways. They want to claim Bush goes into Iraq, like a cowboy, without attempting negotiations. That had he held talks there would not be an "illegal war" blah, blah, blah.

The question I would pose to the lib Messiah, would be this. If talks are the prescription, then how was it as a State Senator in IL did you not attempt this strategy, to end gang wars in Chicago. If this were the proper way to end violence, then why don't the libs who run the major cities employ this? Their cities are over run with crimes, murders rise yearly, and yet all they do is spend more money on law enforcement, and never have tried to negotiate for peace.

Let Obama continue to defend the indefensible. The fake, phony, and fraud he is, as well a supreme dumbass.
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