Mrs Clinton will run as a 3rd party!!

SuperDelegate#12 · #31 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

MI and FL will be fully counted, just not the way Hillary wants them to count.

The Super Delegates will not allow Hillary to go the convention and attempt a brokered convention and will shut down Hillary after the primary state votes.

Then the FLA voters won't have nothing to bitch about...except to be pissed off b/c Hillary LOST!!!

Obama has BEATEN Hillary in every important METRIC used for deciding who will win the Democratic Primary.

Obama has already secured enough SD already.....however, everyone is just allowing Hilllary and her remaining voters to go thru the motions.

This is why Mrs Clinton should run as a 3rd party candidate to offer an alternative to Obama and McCain. 50% of the people who are voting for Clinton say they will never vote for Obama.

Considering the crooked and rigged demo nomination process, and Mrs Clintons ego I'm betting she will do something unexpected. Go to court right after the Kentucky Primary over FL and MI and eventually go rouge and leave the party.

crowonapost · #32 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperDelegate#12

Leave it up to you to engage in revisionist history. Let's see some proof.

Florida Gov. Republican Charlie Crist, center, signs a bill that moves Florida's presidential primary ahead of most other states on May 21, 2007.

Who sets the date for Florida’s Primary?
The state-run Presidential Preference Primary date is set by the Florida Legislature. In the 2007 legislative session, the Republican Speaker of the House made it a priority to move up the Primary to January, in violation of both Democratic and Republican National Committee Rules. The Legislature passed the bill, which also included the new requirement that all Florida elections have a paper trail starting in 2008. Governor Charlie Crist signed the bill into law in May.
Make It Count Florida - Florida Primary - Florida Democrats

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This epic moment in Democratic politics came May 21 when Florida Republican Gov. Charlie Crist signed legislation moving the Sunshine State's presidential primary to next Jan. 29. After that dramatic drum-roll buildup, this one-state shift in the primary calendar may seem comically anticlimactic, especially since the move got little attention outside of Florida. But six weeks later, it is slowly becoming apparent that Florida destroyed the last vestiges of sanity in the 2008 presidential calendar by moving its primary.

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Last summer, the Democratic National Committee, in the name of regional, racial and ethnic diversity, anointed four small states for special treatment in picking a nominee by barring all other states from holding caucuses or primaries in January 2008. According to the DNC calendar, the presidential race would begin with the Iowa caucuses as it has for three decades (Jan. 14), continue with the newly upgraded Nevada caucuses (Jan. 19), the traditional New Hampshire primary (Jan. 22), and then go to the South Carolina primary (Jan. 29), which had been moved up in 2004 to add a state with a heavy African-American vote to the mix.

The DNC, separate from Florida made the agreed to rules.

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But everything changed when Florida moved its primary as part of an overall electoral reform bill, which won unanimous Democratic support in the legislature because it also eliminated touch-screen voting. A binding Jan. 29 Florida primary is an explicit violation of DNC rules and should automatically trigger sanctions that would take away half the state's convention delegates and penalize candidates for campaigning there.

The Democrats in Florida supported it because of the Touch Screen debacle but they still shot themselves in the foot. The whole thing was wrapped in a larger reform package giving them little choice.

Here's the facts...

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The primary bill, which at this point had been rolled into a larger legislation train, went to a vote in both houses. It passed almost unanimously. The final bill contained a whole host of elections legislation, much of which Democrats did not support. However, in legislative bodies, the majority party can shove bad omnibus legislation down the minority’s throats by attaching a couple of things that made the whole bill very difficult, if not impossible, to vote against. This is what the Republicans did in Florida, including a vital provision to require a paper trail for Florida elections. There was no way that any Florida Democratic Party official or Democratic legislative leader could ask our Democratic members, especially those in the Florida Legislative Black Caucus, to vote against a paper trail for our elections. It would have been embarrassing, futile, and, moreover, against Democratic principles.
Make It Count Florida - Florida Primary - Florida Democrats

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Any possibility of the DNC brokering a fig-leaf compromise with Florida -- such as a non-binding "beauty contest" primary -- ended when Crist also scheduled a statewide vote on a property-tax limitation for Jan. 29. With state employee unions militantly opposed to this referendum, Florida Democrats will not agree to anything that would limit turnout on Jan. 29.

By putting the property tax limitation in the Republicans in effect put them in a bound corner.

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So it is hard to imagine how the DNC will prevail in enforcing its rules, which, incidentally, Florida originally supported. Asked in an interview for a scenario under which Florida would relent, Jim Roosevelt, the co-chairman of the DNC's Rules Committee, said bravely, "Maybe I'm an inveterate optimist, but I don't give up hope on that. Especially since the Democrats in Florida have played by the rules and the Republicans in Florida have put them in a difficult spot."

Florida election mayhem for 2008 | Salon News

There is no revision....it is only you whom revise history. I stay on facts.
Let me know when you can actually debate, Pink Bunny.

SuperDelegate#12 · #33 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 10:46 AM

Fact is that the Florida house voted 118-0 in favor of CS/HB 537 and the Senate voted 37-2 in favor of it. Not one democrat in the FL House voted against it. Here is the record and a link to the text of CS/HB 537.

CS/HB 537 - Elections

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...7&Session=2007

Democrats were all for this bill. None of them voted against it. 42 demos in the FL house voted for the bill. It is dishonest to blame this on the FL republicans.

It still does not answer the basic question why should the People of Florida be boxed out of the nomination process? DNC rules to only allow the 4 states to vote early are unfair and should be challenged in court. What does Iowa, NH, Nevada, and SC have that is so important that they and only they be allowed to vote early? Why not Florida and Michigan, or NY and Californa for that matter. The Democrats at the DNC are a dictatorship with rigged rules.

crowonapost · #34 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperDelegate#12

Fact is that the Florida house voted 118-0 in favor of CS/HB 537 and the Senate voted 37-2 in favor of it. Not one democrat in the FL House voted against it. Here is the record and a link to the text of CS/HB 537.

CS/HB 537 - Elections

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...7&Session=2007

Democrats were all for this bill. None of them voted against it. 42 demos in the FL house voted for the bill. It is dishonest to blame this on the FL republicans.

It still does not answer the basic question why should the People of Florida be boxed out of the nomination process? DNC rules to only allow the 4 states to vote early are unfair and should be challenged in court. What does Iowa, NH, Nevada, and SC have that is so important that they and only they be allowed to vote early? Why not Florida and Michigan, or NY and Californa for that matter. The Democrats at the DNC are a dictatorship with rigged rules.

I answered why the Democrats where boxed in a corner in Florida when they did that.

I cannot answer the bizzare reasons the DNC does what they do...who knows.

SuperDelegate#12 · #35 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

I answered why the Democrats where boxed in a corner in Florida when they did that.

I cannot answer the bizzare reasons the DNC does what they do...who knows.

Awwww poor wittle democrats boxed in! boooo hooooo!!! Poor wittle democrats!

jinx · #36 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

These Obama supporters are no different than the Gore supporters in 2000.
They will deny the rights of voters, change the rules to get the desired results.
The US Surpeme Court needs to step in and stop this gross violation of the voter's rights.
Americans want change!!

The Hilbots are getting shrill again, but she's still lost the primaries. Barack Obama will lead this country and there isn't a damn thing she can do about it.

RASTAMAN · #37 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

Why should Hillary quit when she is in the lead?
Excluding Michigan and Florida is nothing more than stealing the nomination from Hillary.
Clinton supporters should not tolerate this direct violation of the US Constitution.
Hillary should sue the Democrat party.

ATTENTION ALL CONSERVATIVE NIM RODS......MI AND FLA WILL BE COUNTED!!!

RASTAMAN · #38 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

The Hilbots are getting shrill again, but she's still lost the primaries. Barack Obama will lead this country and there isn't a damn thing she can do about it.

Queen Hillary and Princes Chelsea.....will not live in the White House for a Second Time.

RASTAMAN · #39 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperDelegate#12

Awwww poor wittle democrats boxed in! boooo hooooo!!! Poor wittle democrats!

Awwww poor wittle repiglacans boxed in! boooo hooooo!!! Poor wittle repuglicans....pissed off b/c they have no legitimate candidate to vote for except "SONG BIRD-32 PROPAGANDA TAPE making McShame.

SuperDelegate#12 · #40 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Awwww poor wittle repiglacans boxed in! boooo hooooo!!! Poor wittle repuglicans....pissed off b/c they have no legitimate candidate to vote for except "SONG BIRD-32 PROPAGANDA TAPE making McShame.

Well since you refuse to give Proof that these tapes exist I will consider it to be a lie.